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Ep.48 Alan "Brahma" Jouban

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sex and violence. Hey guys, welcome back to sex and violence with rebels, where we interview top level MMA fighters and other experts in their fields about love, dating, romance. And that's all too taboo subject. I'm your host, Ashley, Rebel girl, Evan Smith. Now let's talk about sex and violence.

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what is up all my naughty listeners, we are back with another interesting and slightly intrusive interview for you guys. Hope you had a fun week. Since we last talked, I got to reconnect with a friend who hadn't seen since probably before the pandemic. So that was amazing. I feel like as the world is opening up, we all get to see our buddies and family members that we haven't seen for a really long time. It was my friend cheney's birthday brunch. So you know, like, bunch of girls in Huntington Beach, just getting all dressed up and you know, drinking mimosas and catching up. And of course, I have an embarrassing story for you because I am myself in like to embarrass myself all the time, I guess. So. You know, so picture it, you know, 1215 beautiful girls.

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I'm talking, I looked around and was like, Oh, for sure. I'm the ugly duckling of the group. No, just, you know, six foot two blondes at all look like they can be models. But um, you know, we're talking about girl stuff. And we are a bunch of girls living in Orange County and fake titties came up. So of course, you know, my ears perked up. And everyone's talking about boobs and whatnot. And there's a girl at the end of the table. And I find out she's a Jiu Jitsu black belt. And, you know, even though I got the boobies, let's not get it twisted. My main goal is always to win fights, and better my career and you know, train hard. But um, you know, I've been doing podcasting and all this in between. But my first thought when I saw this girl was I want to ask her, what is it like to do jujitsu with your fake boobies because I'm on that CUSP, right? I'm right about to jump back into grappling. I'm not cleared yet. But, you know, so I look over at her and I'm like, Hey, you know, I heard you a black belt. And she's like, yeah, you know, a black belt under so and so. I'm like, That's so cool. Can I ask you a question?

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She's like, Yeah.

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What's it like, rolling with your fake boobs compared to your old boobs? And she just looks at me and my friend Shane. He looks at me and I'm like, Oh, shit. And I'm like, I had chosen the one girl with natural boobies to talk to and so yeah, I definitely oopsies so the girl actually had real boobs, but she laughed it off and it was a good a good time. But um, yeah, I feel like my catchphrase should be Ashley Evan Smith putting her foot in her mouth since 1987. But I will eventually get to slowly start training and probably about a month or two before I can grapple. Right now I'm hitting the bag and all that and trying to get my cardio Becca actually heard that owl Joe alderman Sterling, our current bantamweight champ is going through the same or he actually got the same surgery as me and our guests that we're about to interview as well. He got his c six c seven discs replaced in his neck in the spine. So the crazy thing about our Joe is that I hear he's giving himself a three month timeline to be back in the cage. Now if you guys are consistent listeners, and you've guys been with me from the beginning, you know that that's sounds crazy, right? Because it you know, I'm over here four months post spine surgery, and I'm not even cleared to grapple yet. So I mean, more power to him if he can make that timeline happen. I just really hope that he does it. Smart, right? You don't want to rush back into something that's, you know, crucial to our health. So yeah, you know, I did start trading like I said, and it's it's almost comical how sore I am and you know, such a small workout getting back to it after four months. But you know, you know what helps me when I am sore. A botanical bloom CBD, and all a botanical bloom products are made with real CBD not hemp seed oil, and all their products are lab tested and provide a QR code on the box to track the results. In addition to tinctures that I use for smoothies coffee and Anything, they have hand sanitizer, lip balms, vapor rubs, gummies and the gummies have double the average dosage of normal CBD gummies. So, go follow them at a botanical bloom calm or on Facebook, Instagram at a botanical bloom. And if you check them out, use code Ashley MMA to get 20% off all products. I've been telling you guys each week if you guys have any input if you have any questions please drop me an email. The show has an email it's Ashley a sh l e at sex and violence podcast comm if you guys want to check in tell us how we're doing. And now we are accepting sponsors. So any of you guys out there who have a product or a service that you would like to promote on the show, please send us an email. Again. That's Ashley a sh l e at sex and violence Yeah, we're also got our YouTube up and running we've we've been lagging on getting the full length episodes up, but we're working on that tomorrow. Oh man, I'm so excited. So after more than a year of operating behind closed doors UFC will return and welcome fans back to the world of live MMA with the UFC 261 pay per view and that's going to be the triple header in the sunshine state. Almost messed that one up Sunshine State. So Florida tomorrow, tomorrow, Jacksonville, Florida is going to have crowds since the pandemic fucked everything up for us. And it's a crazy card we've got a headlining three title fights I guess. Can you headline we have three title fights well, triple headlining I don't know we have Welterweight Champion Kumara uzman vs. hora de mas Jorge mas at all. That's number two. They previously met at UFC 251 and uzman defended his title via unanimous decision. Then we got the other title fight is flyweight champion Valentino ship chenko versus former strawweight champion Jessica on drudge I just don't see Jessica beating Shevchenko but who knows you know, that's two champions fighting and then we've got two champions fighting again we got strawweight champion waylay versus former champ Rose namajunas. Both these girls are my same management company sucker punch with Brian Butler. And that's I just want to see the best lady win. But I got a feeling that my girl Carla Esparza will be coming for that belt very soon, so doesn't really matter who wins in my opinion, because she got to be taken that belt. And then we got Chris Weidman versus Uriah Hall.

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It's a rematch Weidman one previously. And you know Uriah Hall we talked about. We're going to talk about Anderson Silva, a little bit on this episode, and he be the goat which you know, in his later years, is Anderson Silva. But uh, I see Uriah winning this time around for sure. Then we have on the main card. Lastly, Jimmy, I'm sorry, Jimmy crude versus Anthony Smith. Now Johnnie Walker was expected to face crew in a lightweight bout, but he got pulled due to an injury. And so now Anthony Smith, former UFC lightweight champion is now the challenger, the rest of the prelim card, there's nine other fights, I won't talk about all of them, but it's gonna be I think, one of the best cards of the year. Hope you guys tune in for that. And before we talk to our awesome guests, let's hear our sexiest sponsor. This podcast is brought to you by Ella para The adult toy store that strives to inspire and empower women, men and couples of all experience levels and interests. inspiration that can lead to a more fulfilling life through discovery and expression of intimacy and pleasure. Visit Ella para and use code rebel girl at checkout to save 15%

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and use code rebel girl to save money on your next intimate purchase. Today's guest is an American professional mixed martial artist currently fighting in the welterweight division of the UFC. Born and raised in Lafayette, Louisiana. He began training in muy Thai in 2005 at the age of 23, and was undefeated as an amateur which led him into a career in MMA. He currently holds a 17 seven professional record and has earned five of the night four times he made his UFC debut in 2014. But prior to signing with the UFC, he was professional model and appeared in several television commercials. He signed a deal with Versace in 2016 and appeared in a short film as the face of versace's Dylan blue fragrance advertisement along with Gigi Hadid when this total package of a man isn't fighting, acting, modeling or hosting a podcast, he's enjoying time with his wife. Sorry ladies and son cage. We talked about going from fighter to broadcast her classroom boners losing his virginity at 13 sex on the hood of a car kissing Gigi Hadid and so much more. Here's your guest Alan Rama Joe barn. We think

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All right, we have Alan jope on on the show. Alan, thank you so much for coming on. I know you're a busy man.

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Yeah, it's been a busy time for me right now. But I'm happy to come on. I know. You got me a little nervous. Actually, you gave me the pre call. You kind of let me know everything going on in the show. And I gotta say I do a lot of interviews but MMA interview, but I've never done any like this. So I'm excited for it.

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Yeah, that's, that's what we're going for. It's MMA interviews, but kind of like nothing you've ever heard before. Right? It's, we're gonna touch on some topics that don't normally come up. But it's, it's I think it's a fun opportunity for, you know, your fans, your listeners, anyone who wants to learn about you to kind of see a side that you don't normally show, right?

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Yeah, no, I definitely never get into these types of topics. But But I'll be I'll try to be as much of an open book today as poss.

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Yeah. Alan is referring to our pre call our pre show call. And what that is just me kind of reminding the guest what they've signed up for, because a lot of people, they don't hear the episodes and they say, yeah, I'll come on the show. And then they don't really realize that we're going to talk about love and dating and romance and sex. So Alan was like, oh, okay, that's what kind of show it is. But we won't talk you know, all about sex exclusively. We want to know about you, you know, we know you are a fighter, a model, a commentator, a podcast host. And just tell us what, you know, an average day is like for you, since you're, you're so multitalented.

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Obviously you're worrying like that. I try to keep myself as busy as possible. I just, you know, some people are kind of wired that way. And I'm definitely one of them. Like, we are the people that go to bed at night and thinking of a million things that they want to do the next day. And, and I'm no different than that. I'm the type of guy normally I will go to bed and right before bed, I'll write a list of things to try to check off. And I say and it just keeping myself busy. Makes me feel like I'm, I don't know, maybe doing something that that other people aren't doing. But you know, a typical day or week for me. If you're in fight camp, you know, that is actually I mean, you just you focus on fighting all day long. But even with fightcamp over the years, it's just a lot. It's been a juggling process. Because a I'm married, I have a wife and a son. So I have to also, you know, balance my family time and help my wife, I'll bring my son to school, I usually coach and soccer teams, all those things. But I'm also still teaching muy Thai, I teach martial arts three days a week, a template in Burbank. And then you know, I'm always dabbling in something if I'm a little bit older, and I'm 39. So I wouldn't say I'm modeling very frequently anymore. But if something calls, or have an audition at the semi last minute and have to start reading a script, it's just trying to balance that and it's in it's when you're in fight mode, it's so much easier to train, eat, sleep, recover, repeat, to just do it all day long. It's the only the only thing about fighting, like did go to that rocky scenario where he's in Russia, and he's training and that's all he's thinking about, like, that would be a dream for me, because I've never had that I've never had that I've always tried to put as much on my plate as possible. And I could say, I could juggle this I can I can handle this if, if DC could be good as 15 jobs. The Rock, you know, the rock could be good at everything. I could do it. So I've always kind of put that pressure on myself. But um, it's always been a very much a balancing act. The entire process.

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Yeah, I, Alan and I actually have the same wrestling coach, shout out Kenny Johnson. And I remember, you know, Kenny's he likes to talk and, you know, if somebody has a fight coming up, Kenny will, you know talk about that person. And a lot of the times when you have a fight coming up, he's always saying how organized you are and how you write out your goals and you're very goal oriented. And I'll never forget him saying that, you know, 510 years ago, however long you guys have been working together, that you gave him a list of your goals and then X amount of years later you came back and you're like, look like I've accomplished this, this this and I'm like That's why I feel like you know, being organized and goal setting is so important, then you can be like Alan giovane and attain your goal and, you know, do all these different things. It's it's hard, you know, now that I'm actually now that I'm not in fight camp, I'm doing, you know, all these different things like you. And I think the key is organization and making those lists. They're so underrated.

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Yeah, they just give you stuff that you would have forgot about. Otherwise, I love how I can't believe how good your memory is that you remember these stories. And I know exactly what event you're talking about. Because I mean, I did this a couple of years. But But there was one year that I gave Kenny a list and I think it was a purple, I must have been a purple belt at the time. And I said, My goal is to get my brown belt to compete agreed to Nationals to win Gracie nationals to win three fights in the UFC and get out Fight of the Night bonus, and some other things as well, right. And I did all those things that year, that year, I couldn't even believe it. And then I realized I go, you have to set your goals, extremely high, so high that they're not even obtainable. Because otherwise you're always going to crush him. If he if this somewhat obtainable, you're probably going to go get them, you're probably going to get those goals. If you're a go getter. If you're out and about doing things and making these these small, subtle improvements on a day to day basis, you're probably going to get those so that year, within I think it was six to eight months at accomplish, you know, my 10 goals on my sheet our pretty decent sized goals, but they weren't, it wasn't like saying I'm going to make a million dollars, I'm going to start my own business, I'm going to do something that was extremely high, it was sub those very attainable. And so I made a new list that year and jotted down more goals. And so what I learned was after that year, and that was probably six years ago or something, I started making my goals almost unachievable. And that way it felt so good. If I if I was able to check something off the list. I go, Wow, I really didn't even know this was attainable, but I got it. So it's gratifying. But it's helped me stay in line. Because like I said, just a little things every day, if you go to bed and those 10 things that pop up you go Oh shit, I forgot to do that today. But if you write this shit down every day, and you just go, Oh, yeah, let me do this. Let me pay this bill. Let me call me this phone call. Let me let me add his as his producer if they need somebody like me or whatever. And it's those those little persistent phone calls that I've made every day for the last six years. That's helped me in every area that I wrote those those goals down.

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Yeah, I can only imagine, you know, being persistent, like you said, staying organized. Also, always being open and flexible. This, this show right here is a perfect example. Right? We don't have a million listeners yet. But you know, you know, I don't think you're doing me a favor or anything. I think that you see the benefit in marketing yourself and putting yourself out there and making time for even smaller, smaller podcasts like ours. And, you know, it shows because, you know, you're killing it and all these other areas, especially the commentating world and I have to ask you, is that something that you're leaning more towards, towards commentating? And kind of pulling back from fighting since you know, as you said, Your words you are getting older?

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Yeah. I mean, since you since you're talking about it, yeah. I firstly, first of all, like broadcasting, being an analyst, all that stuff, being a color commentator. It's been something that I've had my eye on for a number of years now. I mean, ever since I saw like, they started doing it as Fox and like, Kenny Florian and all those guys were like, oh, now, now we have actual fighter talent before, which Joe Rogan is like, you know, the, the Oprah Winfrey, of MMA, like he says goes, but it was like, it was only people that had like this knowledge of this stardom, that could do it. Or the play by play, guys. But now they're like, Okay, you know what, let's actually bring in fighters that have fought inside of the octagon. And if they have some sort of speaking skills are broadcasting skills and they can get better. And so when I seen them grooming guys, I go, man, I can't do this. I audition. I do stuff all the time. I'm not really. I've never done any type of hosting or broadcasting. But I know I could because other guys are doing it. And I feel like I'm stronger than than them in certain areas. So it was a goal for a while and I was banging on the door forever. And I finally kind of just got my foot in with the UFC. sometime last year or since the UFC ESPN merger. We're now this in the US, me. And so it puts me in a very comfortable position, not financially, because I'm still just like a fighter newly signed to the UFC. I'm at the bottom of the pay scale. And I'm not fighting nearly enough, you know what I mean? But it's knowing that I have that, that there's no roof to it that I can continue to grow and I have someplace. So to kind of answer your question. Yeah, I'm 39. Now I've been fighting for X amount of years. I've got so many injuries. And so at this age, to have kind of a backup plan starting to transition into it. feels great. And so I don't focus on fighting quite as much anymore. And I definitely have been more vocal in the last couple of months about about retirement, which is even saying that word was so hard for me to say about a year ago. But now, I'm much more realistic. And I've said it enough times, I've had this conversation with my family and our management and time's up, that I feel like my foot is almost out the door. On retirement, I've kept the door cracked open. In case a big fight came or something, and, and if I'm being honest, like I haven't even shared this with anyone yet, but the UFC called me the other day and gave me a big fight and a big name and the exact fight that I wanted. And I can't I contemplated it's so hard. I went and I went into, I went into fight mode to flip the switch. And I went to the gym for three days and sport every day and did jujitsu every day. I just wanted to test my body. I mean, and kind of like see, when my body Hold up, and I came back after three days, be like, holy crap, it's gonna be tough. And I know I could do it. But I know. I'm actually in the middle of selling their home right now. I'm in the middle of just you know, everything going on and life. And I leave. I've been working broadcasting as a sort of out on the weekends, that at the end of the day, I look myself in the mirror, I go, could I devote 110% into a fight camp right now and push back my moving date, which would complicate a lot of things and turn down all these broadcasting games with UFC and LSA and put all my energy into fighting. And I will No, there's no way I could there's no way if I'm being honest, I'm not rocky living in a born in Russia, I'm in LA with a million phone calls that dance every day and 10 emails and all this stuff. And so I turned it down. And like, it was very tough because it was I've been asked to believe I'm gonna come back. I want a guy that's like a veteran that's like a name like I don't want some young hungry kid that's just coming off of a contender trying to make a name for himself that does nothing for me. I said I want like Carlos Condit, I want Dan hardy like a name. Yeah. And they come back and they go, Hey, can you can you find Carlos Condit who pay per view and like four weeks and possibly call me an event?

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For weeks?

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Yeah. Or maybe it was like six weeks, but it was right around the date. I'm looking to move in May, early June. And it was right around that day. And I go Damn you. You gave me exactly what I asked for. But my heart's not in it right now. And I'm not one of those guys that, like, you know, I just I don't fight just for the money. Obviously, we want to be paid and rewarded. But I'm not willing to go make some money and get my ass kicked. Or go make some money and, and, and mess up what I've worked so hard for, you know, like, I'm used to going into camp, and I've taken on a flight but with my whole heartedly, willing to, you know, nearly die inside that octagon. And right now, I think my wife and I was like, Dave, I wake up every day. And I've got so many emails, and I do this and that, and I'm leaving town three days a week to do broadcast. And I say, Do you think I could like be in fight mode, and I just I saw the uncertainty in my wife's eyes and and then I looked myself in the mirror and I started inserting all noise. And I go, I gotta turn this down. I got and it's like, and you know, as a fighter, like turning down a fight or getting injured, is just as bad as losing. Yeah, it's

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heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking.

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Yeah. Because you've, you feel like you've punked out, it's tough. And then the UFC kind of like, feels like you let them down as well. But it was, it was the smartest decision I could have made at that time. Because I know how overwhelmed I am right now. There's no way I could be at the gym for training twice a day at this moment.

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Yeah, this is not basketball, this is not football, nothing on those sports. But this is not a sport where you can have fast training and not give your 100% you're literally going inside a locked cage, you know, not fighting to the death. But you know, it's just, you're going to war and how could you feel 100% confident if you know, you're not giving 100% to your training. And as we all know, you know, fighting is 80% You know, sometimes 90% mental so you know what's best for you. And that that right? There is hard and no one's really going to ever understand that unless they're put in that position, right? Where you're, you can be in the limelight and shine and, and you know that that amazing feeling of having everyone look at you, and this is your time, and it's not a team sport. And then you have to pass that up. Because you know, it's the smart move, but everyone on the outside sees you as Oh, you know, Alan doesn't want to fight because of X, Y and Z but they don't know what you have going on behind closed doors. So I think you're making a very smart decision. You're saying that it's not the doors not closed, though, you know that, you know, maybe in the future if the time is right, you're settled with your new place. And they give you you know, the right opponent, you could potentially still fight.

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Yeah, well, I mean, I think I don't, I could hit I'm leaning towards your target, but I did it if I moved in a couple of months. And God situated at home and found my training camp again and everything that needs to be to be focused on a fight. And he presented me this exact same offer six months down the line from now or sometime once I've settled, then I would be able to at least make an honest decision. But um, and say, Look, do I still have it? Do I have to fire me? Or do I still have the physical capability to compete at the highest level? At least Have you ever to be honest with yourself and say, Look, I'm gonna put everything aside and do this 100% but right now I know, I'd only be given it 50 60% right now with my time in the day, and, and like you just said, it's not good enough. It's not good enough, I'd say 80%. It's okay to shoot free throws, but it's not good enough to lock itself in a cage, and possibly get embarrassed in front of the world. It's not okay with me.

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Exactly. And you know, you and I both have seen it, we've been in the sport long enough that there are those those fighters that go out on their sword, right, they fight till the end, and you just, it's hard to watch. It's like, you know, you got to know when to hang it up, and then they're not ready. And then they, you know, you got to see some of your favorite fighters just decline in the cage in front of your eyes. And, you know, I know that's not what I want for myself, is but and right. Age is not even a factor. It's, you know, as you know, how well have you taken care of your body? How many injuries have you sustained over the years? What else do you have going on in your life? Is your head and your heart still in it? And if all of those factors are a no, or even, you know, three out of the four or whatever, it's a hard decision. And not everybody makes the best decision. Right? You see, like I said, you see people, you're just like, Oh, you know what it's like to still want to fight, but you kind of want to tell them to hang it up too. Right?

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Yeah, because that's I always said that, like, when I got into fighting, I go, I don't want to be, and I'm not talking about anybody in particular. But like the people that you say like they get knocked out four or five times in a row and then hanging up because they needed to pay or, or like just even like going back to like training when I was fighting muy Thai before MMA, like, he would go to some gym and California. And there's some former muy Thai Thai guy, former world champion, and he's holding pads, you know, for $20. And I go, like, like, for me success. It's not just having a trophy case. And it's not just financially it's everything in conferences. It's being at the highest levels of being a champion or having success. It has making financial success because like, you could have a trophy case, but you're still living in the basement of the gym. How successful were you? It encompasses everything. And if happiness is the journey, like man, I did so many things that traveled around the world, I met so many amazing people. You know, it was fun. And so that's how I look at my career. I got what I wanted to make money. I wanted to be successful, one of the enjoy and love what I did. But I didn't want to be what we're talking about somebody that now is fighting because they have to pay the bills, or they have to do it, you know, to do private, so whatever it is. No, I don't want to end I wanted to end my career on my terms.

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Yeah. And you don't seem like you're that kind of a person. You've been smart enough to dip your toe into modeling and acting and commentating and now you have one or two podcasts that you do.

Unknown Speaker 28:13
Yeah, just one I used to do MMA heat with cam Brian, and then me and Jason Ellis. So two one called Good day MMA. No, man, keep doing it. MMA, he's kind of no longer it's kind of there. But we had taken that one as long as we could. And Karen, Karen, Brian's been so awesome. I mean, she kind of showed me the ropes instead of doing a podcast four or five years ago, and I was horrible at it. But like she she could see that there was like potential there. And so she worked with me. And she's kind of someone who helped groom me to get to where I am and doing stuff with ESPN FC is our credit her a lot for that. But we had taken that as far as we could. We both started new podcasts. But man like I love doing the new podcast me and Jason malice, good ama. We just had a fun show Monday or something. But they're telling us they might not be able to keep us on it's tough. Because, you know, with these, some of these, you know, businesses that pick you up in the past kind of podcast world, you don't have X amount of followers by a certain amount of days, then they can't keep you on and so we're kind of at the chopping block right now. So I'm hoping we get to continue doing it because people that watch this show, they love it. I mean it's so nice to get these people that like tell you like i mean i mean you do it you're in the you do the podcasts you do show them so when when you can relate to like one or two people and they're like oh my god, I love your show or that thing that you talked about. God that feels good. Yeah. Because like I like to talk about fighting but when you hit when you hit when when something hits with somebody else, and they can relate to that. And you get people that message you like man, he shows the shows are so amazing. I look forward to him. I listened to him on way to work. It's like, Oh, that's just feels good. I love doing this service and someone so yeah, I'm over. We get to continue to work. It has been fun.

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Yeah, it's rewarding and you know I think for you and I alike it's just adding to our resume of what we want to do in the future right? You know, I aspire to be like you like I have a few acting roles lined up over this next coming year. You know, I would like to see my own podcast grow like, I don't know if I could ever be a commentator, but I, I would love to do some pre or post fight.

Unknown Speaker 30:23
I think you could. I mean, just your little interview you called me the other day in the car. I was like, Damn Ashley's like she's together man. You're like super organized and like and very you had a way of like, of making me feel at ease with some of those subjects was talking about I was like the sex doctor over here.

Unknown Speaker 30:43
Definitely, I guess what I'm going for, you know, I'm not trying to Sideswipe anybody in the interviews. We just want to get to know you. I know you're from Louisiana, but I don't know what Louisiana is like. And I want to know, you're born and raised there, right?

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Yeah. So what was it like? 19?

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Young, perfect. What was growing up in Louisiana? Like?

Unknown Speaker 31:06
Oh, it was different. Well, I'll tell you this. So I mentioned that I was moving. I'm moving back to Louisiana. We just bought a house. No, yeah, we bought a home. I know. I feel like it's, I haven't been very vocal about it. Because Because of that, like, because I feel horrible. And then I have like a sad conversation with all my friends. No, it's been very tough. I'm sorry to like, just like, I know, convene Ashley, like, train together often on a black house when we're there. And I know, I haven't even told 95% of the people don't know what they're like. And so it's a conversation that they either gonna hear on this show. I'm gonna tell him eventually. Yeah, it's um, it's very bittersweet Living La. It's just been all my family is still in love in Lafayette in Louisiana. My wife is Thai. And so all of her family is in Thailand. And we basically both she's been in LA longer than I have. But we both basically been another like 15 to 20 years. We met here, we had our son here, we got our home here. Like the success, you know, I was bartending and, and doing construction until I got into UFC. And so the success and everything is grown in LA. So la will always be a piece of our heart. But some of the other things that we just talked about with like, I'm getting older, I don't know how long, much longer I'm fighting. And raising a son, it makes me always want to go back to Louisiana and kind of live that simpler life. Because I don't really need to be I'm not going out all the time anymore. La is getting tougher, a

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little rough.

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getting rough. Yeah, I mean, it's still got my heart. But it's not the same la that it was five, 510 years ago, it's just getting much more expensive, and etc, etc. But it's more about kind of moving to that next chapter. And I don't know if I'm going to be fighting, then then we think about going to Louisiana.

Unknown Speaker 32:56
I don't think anyone would blame you. You have a kid. I don't know what that's like, but I would want to raise my kid in the safest, most friendly play outside on your bikes, you know, like, have other kids in the street to run around with like,

Unknown Speaker 33:09
so. exact thing.

Unknown Speaker 33:12
I imagined that's what is your main focus? Because you are a good dude, you got you know, your dad, you're a married man, and you're hustling and, you know, I'm sure you had you're going to the bar phase and whatnot, but that's not who you are anymore. So why stay in LA pay these prices that are crazy. You know, I recently took a trip with the boyfriend to see how Florida was and not the place that we're gonna go. But it was you know, we're at that point where we're like, let's just start exploring the rest of the world because Orange County la it's rough, it's rough to make it and it's rough to stay financially as well. So,

Unknown Speaker 33:49
you know, you're I was Florida. I'm curious.

Unknown Speaker 33:52
It was great in the sense that you know, the weather would be a smooth transition a little a little more humid, but Miami was just kind of like LA. Like,

Unknown Speaker 34:03
that's where I went to Miami. Yeah, he did.

Unknown Speaker 34:07
He did a seminar at 10th planet West Palm Beach. He's a 10 planet black belt under Casey Halston. And the people there West Palm Beach, beautiful area, amazing people. But we ended up staying in downtown Miami and we're like, this is just like LA. So we had a great time. But you know, I think we're still gonna keep looking or maybe we'll make it work here in California. But I think this whole pandemic has got a lot of people reassessing their finances, their living situation, their future plans, and I don't know, you know, I'm kind of in limbo right now. I'm still, you know, going through the same injury that you went through. Actually, Alan and I are surgery buddies. We both got our C 67. Disc replaced. Is that correct? Mm spine. Yeah, yeah, like a little spacer inside our necks and Allen has been a great, you know, person to go to and ask, you know, like, hey, how did this go, you know, post surgery and how long did it take you to get back on the mat. And I've appreciated that as a as a friend and as a teammate being able to go to him and ask him, I know you're on like an 18 month hiatus before he got back in the cage, right?

Unknown Speaker 35:21
Yeah, and I'm trying to remember. I knew I was ready to go before that, but I just had so many injuries, they almost blur one into one another because I had a neck injury. And then I had an ACL and then I tore a ligament and one finger and then I tore a ligament on my other hand as well. So within within those four surgeries, I had two fights. And so yeah, that's what it was. I had a neck injury and then I had two hand surgeries. And so it put me out for a very long time. With the neck, the neck surgery is such a weird one. I've had probably 10 surgeries. And the neck was by far the scariest because it's like you're messing with my neck and not only mess with my neck. But we're fighters This is like our pride and joy. Like Yeah, your neck. You got to have a neck. And I'm a

Unknown Speaker 36:08
wrestler Allen like my neck is it's like another

Unknown Speaker 36:11
everything. It's your wrecking ball. I mean you use it. But it was so scary to go into it. And then coming out with a little like, Okay, what I don't know what to expect. I got a neck brace on. But I gotta say after a week of having the surgery, I was like this isn't nearly as bad as I thought it was because I'm not on crutches. I'm not doing like this devastating type of physical therapy where I'm learning how to walk again or put, put 15 pounds of muscle back on my leg because my legs like skin and bones. I felt very normal To be honest, it was just kind of getting some of the core and all that back and it just takes time to heal. But um, I was in a I wasn't shocked by it after after doing it. And I've speaking spoken to so many fighters like you and other people, Christos the chains of blackouts. And our Jemaine Sterling called me and Chris Weidman and silicon all those guys and like now, the neck surgeries are becoming, you know, like a sprained ankle in terms of like, they happen. They suck, but we people get to Rome and keep on playing. It's not careening at all anymore.

Unknown Speaker 37:13
Yeah, I'm very fortunate, you know, both you and I, if it wouldn't happen, you know, 510 years before this time, they wouldn't have had, you know, medical science, you know, upgrades and whatnot. I, I heard that if you get a fusion, like 510 years ago, you basically career was over, whatever you did. And I'm like, Oh, God, like, thank goodness, that didn't happen. So I'm lucky you know, I'm ready to get back in the cage by the end of the year. But um, but yeah, I know that we're just it's just part of the job right? You've had so many injuries, I've had so many injuries and and hence why you're probably reconsidering your, you know, career path. But to go back to Louisiana, you know, so you're gonna move your family there. What was it like growing up for you? I mean, it's not la it's not where I'm from. I want to know, what was it like to be a kid in Louisiana and kind of growing up there?

Unknown Speaker 38:04
Yeah, I mean, for me, it was very normal. It seemed like every everybody's kind of like what we talked about a while ago, childhood playing in the streets. Yeah, riding your bike, you know, all that kind of stuff. And that's, that's what I I feel like I missed for my son over here, because I had all that, you know, I played soccer my entire life. year round, and I would do a lot of hunting and fishing is very Louisiana is known for the sportsman's paradise. And so that's what you're doing all the time. You know, you're out doing things even though I lived in last year, which is like a small city. Yeah, I was always spending time on my grandfather's farm, helping them with like the cows and forming and going hunting and fishing and staying busy riding four wheelers and oh, wow, just crazy stuff like that, you know, just kind of enjoying the outdoors. Yeah, yeah, dirty quite a bit. And, and all those things. And so it was fun, but you know, it, everywhere you go, you feel that people want something more because I've been in LA for 15 years now, in the last couple of years. Everybody goes, I can't wait to get out of La the prices are too high. I just want to want my son to be able to ride his bike down the street without feeling like he's in danger or this or that. And, and that's what kind of pushed me out to LA but then when I go to Louisiana, they have the same problem. They're like, you know what money is that spirit right over here. And there's still parts, bits and pieces that they have racism and the politics is so bad. And I go man, you guys sound just like all my friends in LA, it's just different problems. And it seems like everywhere that you're gonna go in this country, you're gonna, you're gonna you're gonna inherit some sort of problems. You know, there's not too many perfect states out there to take from but it's um, it's kind of going to it makes you feel happy. And right now, the stage of my life, it would make me feel happy to be able to have a little more financial freedom because it's a lot cheaper to live in, in Louisiana, and then to have the support of our family there that we've never had. And now to be able to go I can tell my wife You want to come to Vegas with me this weekend for the job and let let my mom watch cage. And like I've never been able to do that we've never had a babysitter or anything. In the eight years that we've had our son My wife doesn't trust anyone like we don't. We don't do babysitters. We don't. We don't have answer uncles. You know what I mean? So he comes everywhere with this. Oh, we don't go. So to have that option. I just, it opens so many new doors and excites me. And again, going back to the way I was raised to have my son being able to run around the neighborhood like a lot like a normal kid. I look forward to it.

Unknown Speaker 40:33
That's awesome. Yeah. How old is cage? Your son?

Unknown Speaker 40:37
He's eight now. Eight? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 40:38
So such a such a weird topic. But you know, always ask the guests. You know, we ask little more risque topics? You know, like, when did you lose your virginity? Like when you were young? How do you learn about the birds and the bees? Something? I have not got to ask a guest because I have 95% females is Do you remember when you were younger having your first boner?

Unknown Speaker 41:01
For some reason, the last thing that we talked about was cage and I'm like, Oh, my God has changed me to get it first.

Unknown Speaker 41:08
I mean, what age do boys have? daughters? I don't know. Like, is that something you've dealt with with cage before? Like, Oh, man.

Unknown Speaker 41:17
Kids are weird kids, kids at this age, they don't know what to do. they'll pull it on their pants and play games or like you get on the stand. that's inappropriate. That's not funny. The kids don't know any better. But for me, personally, Oh, here we go. We're getting into the fun topics. But I can't remember. I can't remember being a kid. And I don't know when the first time that happened was but I remember numerous times at school, specifically in high school, where I was praying to God thinking, please guide me and not let the teacher call me out to the front of class right now. Because randomly in the middle of class for no reason at all. You would have like a boner. Yeah. And it would, it would happen all the time. And I would just I remember like thinking, God, if I had to get up right now and write something on the chalkboard would be the laughingstock I would be so screwed. Anyway, it never happened. But I remember in high school that happening quite a bit and waking up in the morning and going, you know, things are different now. things feel different.

Unknown Speaker 42:22
Yeah. Do you? Do you remember, like your first girlfriend or, you know, what was it like in Louisiana? I know. I feel like, you know, the more like city kids are just, you know, unfortunately, the you know, they're a little bit more advanced, you know, more adult at an earlier age, but I'm like thinking okay, Louisiana, and, you know, you seem like such a like sweet kind of humble, introvert kind of person. I'm like, what age did you start talking to girls?

Unknown Speaker 42:51
Um, I was, I gotta say, I was kind of a little bit different than I am. Now. When I was a kid. I was kind of more of a bad boy young and I feel like I got out of my system pretty early. But I probably had my first kiss. I remember I was in Austin, Texas at a soccer camp, and I must have been. I don't know what that was. I was probably like, sixth grade or something. So I guess I was like, 1110 or 11, or something like that. 11 or 12. First kiss. And then I remember obviously, losing my virginity. At 13. I was eighth grade summer going to high school. Emphasis. Remember that? There was a there was a meatloaf video? on MTV, or like, anything too low.

Unknown Speaker 43:43
Oh my god. Yeah. It was like a neat little

Unknown Speaker 43:45
video I would

Unknown Speaker 43:45

Unknown Speaker 43:47
Yeah, it was like, it was one of his, like, big bom bom classic songs. And I just remember something about the video like him or a kid finding this older woman in a barn and like, she caught him about the birds and the bees. And I was like, Yeah, that would be great. Like some older experienced woman and like, she teaches you everything. And, and that's kind of how mine was. I was like, 13 and met somebody older. And, and. And she taught me about the birds of the bees.

Unknown Speaker 44:16
Oh, nice. That's awesome. So 13 is about average age. I feel like I mean, obviously, now. Yes, younger and younger. But uh,

Unknown Speaker 44:25
yeah, I feel like nowadays is younger than that. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 44:27
You know, I mean, looking at like the

Unknown Speaker 44:30
years I'm sure you've talked about this before, but I'm curious what was your age? I was 15

Unknown Speaker 44:34
is on my 15th birthday. And it was the boy who was 19 which, you know, I'm like, oh, no big deal. But now I'm like, technically that statutory rape. I've heard

Unknown Speaker 44:44
working with me, mine would have been as well. Yeah. on your birthday too. Well, yeah, I

Unknown Speaker 44:48
remember crying afterwards. Like it was. It's never special. It's never magical your first time so I think we're all like

Unknown Speaker 44:56
probably most girls go through that too, though. Yeah, like were they Weren't wasn't special, and they did make the right decision and everything.

Unknown Speaker 45:04
Yeah, girls. At a young age, we like think it's gonna be on a bed of roses with your dream man. And I feel like guys, boys, little boys are like, I don't really care who the fuck it is. I just want to have sex. So, I know you got into modeling probably later in life. But I really wanted to ask like, did you have confidence at an early age? Or were you always just like a good looking kid? You know, when did you have that awkward, ugly phase? Yeah, no, I

Unknown Speaker 45:33
know, I know, I didn't have confidence. And yes, I definitely had an awkward stage. I felt like I thought a picture of me the other day when I was probably around that 13 812 1111 1213. I was just skin and bones. I mean, every bone in my body, you can see. And I live next door to a health club at the time. And I remember I used to back him, he tells me to clean up and they will let me work out for free cleaned up. So I would try to put on muscle they just Yeah, I would do anything possible to like I want it to be when you're skinny. When you're overly skinny. You just want to be big. And when you're really going to be skinny. And I wanted to be bigger. I wanted to be muscular, like all these guys that I saw walking around with their shirts off. And so I was trying everything, but I had this kind of awkward, ugly duck stage as like that. I guess it was adolescent years, you know? Yeah. And then. And then I kind of grew into myself my later years in high school. But I still I'd say I probably didn't have that much confidence. To be honest. The my confidence came from came from fighting. And then it came from, you know, talking like this, like we're doing doing doing interviews, doing shows, because you become less, you become more open about things and you feel like you have less to hide. But with fighting really did it because I got into modeling and I didn't want to do it at all. I was embarrassed. And so anytime I think 19 and Louisiana, they offered me to move to New York and do this modeling contract. I was like, Yeah, like my first response was like that gay. And then like, and then I moved to New York and like, made my first gay best friend, although I probably shouldn't say that. Like, I get to travel the world. And so I learned so much. But I feel like I was like, why am I doing this is like an opportunity. But I don't really like it because I'm sitting around waiting for the phone to ring all day. And then it's somebody's decision on. They like your look or they don't like their look, or you're a brown haired guy. And it was somebody with a lighter complexion, and blonde here. So it just, it was so out of my out of reach for me to improve that I couldn't stand it. And then I went from New York to Miami to LA and when I got to LA I found a muy Thai gym. And when I found fighting, I go oh my god, like why didn't I know about this sooner? Now? I could train twice a day. And then I have a say in how good I get or the progression of this. And then when you when I fight, it's not somebody picking unless you go to the judges, I guess but it's not somebody picking. They like you with them better. I go I beat your ass and I outwork you I win the fight. And now my career is in it. I have control over it. I fell in love with fighting. And the confidence came from there, right? Yeah, holy shit Allen's a fighter. That dude went from modeling in New York. Now he's in LA fighting. He, like, my confidence grew because the confidence in myself. And also I didn't have to act up anymore. They man I fight for a limb and I don't want to get into fights. And do all this stupid stuff. Right? Right. And so something something about fighting. I'm sure it isn't for everyone, I'm sure that it is for you. But for me, it it, it made me kind of more at peace in my own skin. I felt like I didn't have to try as hard anymore. And so yeah, I always credit fighting for that.

Unknown Speaker 48:42
Yeah, and now that you mentioned it, you know, I'm thinking modeling gave you confidence. But realistically, if you're sitting around and being criticized and picked apart by all these different agencies, or whoever it might hurt your confidence, right to where you thought you might be a little good looking, but then you get declined for a couple opportunities. And now you're reconsidering how attractive you are, or how handsome you are, or whatever, but then you fight, you get all this confidence that you worked really hard for so I can understand that. When you were 19 and modeling in New York and traveling around was that, you know, like a sexual time of your life, or were you just grinding because I feel like, you know, 19 year old boys raging hormones around tons of models it was that a wild time or, or more or a little more tame?

Unknown Speaker 49:28
Man, I'll tell you, I messed up. I wasted that stage of my life because I had a girlfriend in Louisiana at the time. And it was like, Oh, yeah, we met in a small town. We thought we were gonna get married and all that stuff. And next thing you know, I'm traveling the world and I was like, I was like the good guy. At that point. I kind of got the bad boy out of me. I'm 1920 now kind of doing this career. And I was like, I'm going to be faithful. I'm going to be faithful and I traveled the world and I really was I was faithful. And this and that. And then obviously like most relationships that happen young, it didn't work out. And I met my wife later on down the line. But though I always think about going to go man, when I was 19, to whatever, 23 or something and as long distance relationship for a lot, you know, and she would come visit me, I'd go visit her. I was like God, and it didn't even work out. And we were so not right for each other the entire time. And I did not know any better. And I thought, I'm just a kid from a small town, I got to do the right thing. And I should have been just getting it out of my system. So I wish I would have done something differently. Well, I wasted those years.

Unknown Speaker 50:31
I don't know if it's a waste, you know, I mean, saved yourself some STDs. Let's just look at it that way. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 50:39
I like the way you put a spin on it, right? There was patch relationship, if you with somebody for a long time you took all these pictures? What do you do with that with those pictures? Like you don't, then you can't put those pictures up anymore? You can't look at them and think those years were erased? Because you don't want to talk about him with who you're with. Now, you know, maybe you do, maybe you don't but but yeah,

Unknown Speaker 51:00
I thought you would agree that, you know, you can throw the pictures out but the lessons that you learn through each relationship, whether it be a one night stand or a long, long term one that's instilled in you know, whether you learn how you want to be as a man or how you don't want to be or who you want to be with or who you really don't want to be with. I try never to regret any interaction, you know, whether it's like I said, One night or or a long term relationship because, you know, we're always growing we're always evolving as fighters as humans as partners, right? So maybe you didn't ruin your your modeling time maybe you learned how to be faithful. And now you you know, you're good man, for your your wife and your kid.

Unknown Speaker 51:45
I liked the way that you put a spin on the way you said

Unknown Speaker 51:48
it. Or you could have just been slutting it up and you fuckin missed out Allah. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 51:54
Who knows what I might have turned out. Maybe you might

Unknown Speaker 51:58
want to ask you. How long have you been married?

Unknown Speaker 52:02
Oh, we got married the same year that my son was born. So we've been married nine years.

Unknown Speaker 52:08
Okay. And is that? So I like to ask everybody about online dating, swipe right, swipe, swipe left. And I'm wondering if the timelines won't match up. Right? Because online dating has only gotten real popular. What past 567 years? Did you were you

Unknown Speaker 52:22
I've never done it. I'm so curious about it. No. I was. I was, I was before the time because I've got friends now that that are newly single. And they asked like, Man, I'm in this world. And like he's like, did I know nothing about it? But they're like, there's so many options. Now. There's so many apps he goes is even pretty much kind of like, like, what do you call it? Like almost like call call girl type app. So you just say like, I'm in this area. And you come we meet we have sex like one night? Crazy. And I don't know anything about it. Tell me more like tell me how much fun you're having. I guess but, but if you're looking for advice for me, I got nothing for you. Yeah, I was before that time. Unfortunately, or fortunately, I don't know. But I never did it. I couldn't even imagine what it was like right now. I you know, not having to go out and meet someone.

Unknown Speaker 53:11
I go back and forth with like, cuz I was on like one like plenty of fish, which was like pre Tinder, pre Bumble, all that kind of stuff. But I go back and forth. I'm like, oh, like how lucky are these younger kids, they just have like, all these options. But then on the other side, I'm like, How sad for them that they can't make this real life in person human connection. You know, kind of like, give someone the benefit benefit of the doubt like because there's always going to be bumps in the road. But I feel like with all these options that kids have nowadays, it's like, oh, you know, it's not working out swipe to the next person swipes x,

Unknown Speaker 53:45
y, y z the next one. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 53:47
Which is, you know, nice to have options, but I feel like sometimes you might be missing out on real connections with people.

Unknown Speaker 53:55
Yeah, no, I agree. I couldn't I mean, like, like, heaven forbid, something, whatever happened to me. Me and my wife's relationship, have a wonderful relationship, but like to go to go back into the dating scene right now. I'm trying. I'm trying to imagine it. And I really could. I mean, especially, I mean, think if I during COVID. I mean, if you're single and during the pandemic and stuff. I mean, Jesus Christ. Yeah. It makes it even harder. People are fortunate. Yeah, he married during all this.

Unknown Speaker 54:25
Yeah, me too. I, you know, like, I'm in a healthy happy relationship. But I have this show where I'm talking to people about their dating experiences during the pandemic, and I'm just like, oh, sucks for you.

Unknown Speaker 54:37
Not, you know, yeah, they were like lonely. Yeah, it's not trying to meet people. You know, I remember in the beginning of this pandemic, I was doing acting classes and we went to zoom or whatever, acting classes and so we be on a zoom call and they'd be like, eight people on the on, you know, in class and we always would open up classes, you know, just good energy type stuff. How you doing? What's going on? positive messages, and I be at my home. My family, I'm like telling my son to be quiet. But I was happy. You know, we didn't know what was going on in the world. It was scary, but I was happy. And I would see people in my class and they would be in Hollywood, and a one bedroom apartment with a roommate that they didn't like, but they couldn't leave. And it was scared to death and COVID this is early COVID when nobody knew anything yet. And they were so miserable. And they hadn't left their replacing days and, and this and I would just think God, I couldn't even imagine doing this alone. Being in a studio alone and being in a pandemic or being in trapped in an apartment with somebody I didn't like a roommate that had nothing in common with a lot of people who want to do some, some crazy situations, and especially the evacuee we're talking about if you're in the dating world, and you're single and you're looking to meet somebody, and it was tough times last year.

Unknown Speaker 55:54
Yeah. You and your wife married you said nine years right?

Unknown Speaker 55:58
Yeah, about nine years, nine years, so

Unknown Speaker 56:00
I'm sure you have your methods down as far as what you like to do before a fight. And I like to ask the guests Do you abstain from sex before a fight? Are you a believer that kind of

Unknown Speaker 56:13
Hell no. Keeping?

Unknown Speaker 56:16
didn't finish my sentence. Okay. Hell no. I mean, I've yet literally, we've had 40 something guests on the show. And not one guest has said Oh, yes, I am staying before a fight. And everyone says pretty much Hell no, just like

Unknown Speaker 56:35
fight week I'll say fight week. I like to not have any sex or anything like that. Just because he just, you know, it, it like you you're just so focused, you're cutting weight. And I feel like you know, you do feel a little bit more like, I don't know, stronger or angry. And kind of like having sex and like getting a massage relaxes you and I don't I don't want to be that relaxed and loose. And like, just like kick my feet up. I want to be somewhat angry with the chip on my shoulder. So yeah, fight week, which you're normally not really home anyway. You normally were, you know, wherever the location is. But um, as far as the whole, like, yeah, like 30 days, 50 days, anything like that? No, it's like, the last day that I see my wife. We're like, okay, let's make sure we get one. Yeah, like five or six days now.

Unknown Speaker 57:20
Yeah, I understand that. You almost want to be pent up, right? Like you want to release that tension on your opponent as opposed to like, Sup man, I'm feeling relaxed and good. What is one of your favorite sexual memories that you can remember?

Unknown Speaker 57:38
That's an interesting question. Because

Unknown Speaker 57:42
without going into too crazy detail, what's something that pops in the spank bank forever?

Unknown Speaker 57:49
Um, I okay.

Unknown Speaker 57:54
This is not

Unknown Speaker 57:59
and I'm like, do I talk about my wife then that person or am I talking about someone else is that disrespectful to her? But it was this was at such a young age that I was a kid. It didn't matter. But I remember being in high school and being with a girl and we went into parks her car, a Mustang in the woods behind the back of the neighborhood. This sounds

Unknown Speaker 58:20
Louisiana right now.

Unknown Speaker 58:22
Very Louisiana, you know, and for some reason Oh, I was because it was a Mustang. There's no room in the backseat. So we so we got out and we were on the hood of the car. And I remember her she was kinda like, like moaning and Yellin and I thought it was me being great at what I was doing. But it was actually the hood was really hot and bright. And we jumped off the hood. And and then she told me what was going on. But I just yeah, it was kind of killed the moment but we were cracking up laughing. That's awesome. And then I went back home. Yeah, I went back home not too long ago. And there's a neighborhood built there now and everything and then the woods are gone and all of that. But yeah, when I drive by I kind of remember that happening.

Unknown Speaker 59:10
That's hilarious. Yeah, I actually had a 1974 Ford Maverick in high school. And they have bucket seats. So no action in the backseat. It's all about the front seat action with that kind of car.

Unknown Speaker 59:23
Oh, Lord, was it a standard?

Unknown Speaker 59:26
Yeah, I can't drive automatic. I can't drive stick. I mean, I can if the automatic Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like on the on the dashboard. You know, it's got that job. Yeah, yeah, I love that car, but uh, had to get rid of it. When I moved down to Southern California. It was not going to make the long haul from NorCal to SoCal. It was it was done.

Unknown Speaker 59:46
How long of a drive is that for you?

Unknown Speaker 59:48
It's about a nine hour drive from where I'm originally from in Ukiah, California, and like a very, I like to say it's a little dueling bang bang bang town, little bumfuck nowhere town but it's it's nice. There, but uh, yeah, it's it's I don't know, it might be similar to Louisiana.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:05
Probably so I mean, I'm sure it's more beautiful Northern California but um, yeah small town that allows to do people trying to get out and you know, go see the world and everything.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:14
Well, it's time for the lightning sex round. And on our pre call interview, I let you know what it was and you sound a little nervous. Are you ready for this?

Unknown Speaker 1:00:33
I think so. I'll roll with the punches. All right, cool.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:36
I'm gonna ask you one word or one phrase and you're gonna do rapid fire Yes or no? Ready?

Unknown Speaker 1:00:43
Ready to rock?

Unknown Speaker 1:00:43
All right. So do you dirty talk in bed?

Unknown Speaker 1:00:49
Sometimes spaded I'm gonna answer gotta go yes or no

Unknown Speaker 1:00:52
thank or like to be spanked.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:56
Spank biting.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:00
No, no, nobody choking.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:06
choking threesomes

Unknown Speaker 1:01:16
Yes. Before and before

Unknown Speaker 1:01:19
got it. Do you watch porn?

Unknown Speaker 1:01:22
I don't. I mean, you know, if you're like, out of town in a hotel or something like for But no, I'm not like a lot of friends that are addicted to porn. Watch it once a week. Glad to know I've never I've never been into it. I don't know. I don't know. I'd rather just

Unknown Speaker 1:01:37
experience a real thing. Alright. Any fetishes like foot fetish?

Unknown Speaker 1:01:43
Um, no, definitely not a foot fetish or anything like that. I get some. Just like, I know this is a fetish for like, you know, like, healthy hair skin like soft skin. Things like that. very feminine qualities like soft skin. Your hair smells good. You don't have like, bad breath in the morning. I know. I'm like drawing the perfect person but like yeah, just like feminine qualities. turned me on a lot.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:09
All right. No, that's good. Yeah, I'm my boyfriend's like you don't kiss me enough. I'm like, if you brush your teeth in the morning, I will make out with you. But I'm not

Unknown Speaker 1:02:16
gonna brush. Yeah, yeah, you see you see these movies where they wake up and morning? I'm like, Are you kidding me? No, clean up or nothing?

Unknown Speaker 1:02:27
Okay, do you roleplay

Unknown Speaker 1:02:30
Ah, no, no. roleplay

Unknown Speaker 1:02:33
but stuff on you or a partner?

Unknown Speaker 1:02:47
Yeah, nothing. I plead the fifth. Nothing on me. Yeah. All right.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:51
Do you sex toys?

Unknown Speaker 1:02:55
Um, no.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:56
No, ever been ever been to a sex club or a swingers party?

Unknown Speaker 1:03:03
Are the normal things that you do actually. I haven't that's a regular thing. I'm missing out.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:12
Are you last one are you lingerie lover?

Unknown Speaker 1:03:16
Yeah, for sure. We don't do that that often. But like whenever you yeah man like whenever you see a girl and she's got something like stampy or just because I I definitely am into like, less is more. I mean, if you've got something that's covering you up, but showing little hints of things can meet as wildly attractive rather than you know somebody just being button active right away or something like that. So yeah, lingerie does it for me.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:44
Got it. All right. Congratulations, Alan. I know that was tedious for you and

Unknown Speaker 1:03:49
sweating. weird because I kind of felt like what I'm missing out on a lot of things.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:56
You're liking my

Unknown Speaker 1:03:57
videos? Yes, I really go on boring. No,

Unknown Speaker 1:04:00
no, you're not and, and no, this is not I do not do all of those all the time either. So some of those Alright, so one game that we play is called fuck marry kill

Unknown Speaker 1:04:22
one marry one kill one go. I think we're done here.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:25
And this time we have the famous model edition special for you. Are you ready?

Unknown Speaker 1:04:31
Okay, and I'm answering Fuck, marry or kill.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:34
Yeah, you got to choose who you want to fuck who you want to marry who you want to kill.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:38
Okay, cool. Let's go with it.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:40
I know. And it's funny because actually after I created these, I was doing my research on you. And I was like, Oh, damn, Elon has been around some beautiful famous models so he might actually know some of these women but hopefully I don't put you in a weird spot. So you have to sell buncha Heidi clue and Tyra Banks.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:01
Oh, um, let's see. GSL Heidi, and Tyra Banks. I hate to say this, but I probably have to kill Tyra like seeing her on. What is America's Got Talent? She's, I don't know, it kind of annoys me. He talks so much. Yeah, sorry.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:21
Kill Tyra to her.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:23
Who are you gonna hire? And then is GSL and who else?

Unknown Speaker 1:05:27
Heidi clue?

Unknown Speaker 1:05:28
Oh, and Heidi? Yeah, um, yeah, I'd say, I have to marry Heidi. I guess she seems kind of down to earth family type could be wrong. Totally wrong about her. But she's got something about that. And then I guess slugs as well, because she's like, the biggest, baddest supermodel we've kind of ever had what up until some point. I mean, I think now they've got some, some girls that are making killer money. But she was the thing. I mean, she when I first got into modeling, I remember she was like the breadwinner of all models. And so she gets that award for sure. Yeah. And you've worked with some beautiful women. And I was like, I don't really want to put them on the spot. So I wasn't no all good. Because Because, like my wife allowed me to, you know, for that Versace thing. I worked with Gigi Hadid. And yeah, part of the campaign was some makeout with Gigi. And that was a conversation me and my wife had to have and, and thankfully, she was very cool about like, you know, I'm sure there's some jealousy there. But first of all, my wife loves models, like she follows more women than I do. She's all about, like, beautiful models. And, and she called it She goes, I bet she did this campaign with Gigi, when they told me I got it. And sure enough for the GG. And she goes, look, if you got to do something, like I know, it's a lot of money and a big job. And so like, and so I called her and I said yeah, they're thinking about us, like every makeout scene. She gave me the green light. Like I got that real life. Like Yeah, like, Oh,

Unknown Speaker 1:07:02
yeah, that's cool. I

Unknown Speaker 1:07:03
mean, your wife's name is Nicole. Right?

Unknown Speaker 1:07:06
Nicole? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:07
She just seems like a very, very cool person. I mean, it. It's very hard to date someone who's in fight camp. And then you know, now you're saying, you know, you've had to ask her like, hey, am I allowed to make out with this hot model? And she's like, okay, you know, like, seems like a very cool person.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:25
Because she's brought it to my attention before like, wouldn't she booked some job, and she had to go make out with some hot dude. Yeah, I was like, Booth tables turn. I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that. So. Yeah, I'm

Unknown Speaker 1:07:39
grateful for it. That's cool. Good job, Nicole. All right, we're gonna answer a few fan questions.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:47
You're gonna push me. Are you ready? Ready.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:55
All right, Andy. Ah, 863 wants to know what year is your badass truck?

Unknown Speaker 1:08:02
Hey, I'm actually like sitting in my I'm in the garage right now because I had to be away from my family for the conversation. So I'm sitting next to my bed as truck end. I was sitting in the seat the whole time. Oh, it's a 1956 is the 56 asked for 100. And I just love the man like a kind of an old truck guy and my grandpa had an old truck for a while. And I was watching this show on TV called count customs and other that's the one that's what I want. And I looked it up and he had a 55 or 56 f 100 m so couple fights back or as I say a couple like three or four years ago. I got when manna would knock on somebody's door had $5,000 in my back pocket. And I offered him 3500 and he let me have it and then I had it in the shop for a year and every time I would fight it put a little more money into it. And yeah, a year later got to just how I wanted and yeah, so I love her. I'm getting I'm shipping her to Louisiana like this week. And I because Yeah, because of the move at the chef and shipper and if she gets a new engine, she can upgrade from a 302 through a 351 and all kinds of stuff. So it'll be bittersweet seeing her go but I know. We'll meet again soon.

Unknown Speaker 1:09:16
I hear the love and your voice. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 1:09:19
I know. I'm literally walking around my truck right now.

Unknown Speaker 1:09:23
Okay, at Jose, PhD, dumb question, but have you ever had to model right after a fight?

Unknown Speaker 1:09:31
Oh, yeah, yeah, no, it's not a dumb question. Actually. I did that quite a bit in the early stages because before I got in the UFC, obviously you fighting like regionally and all that stuff and you're fighting quite a bit you have to kind of take what you can get. And then before I was able to book some of these, like higher paying jobs like Versace, etc. Man, I was just doing like I had a modeling agency representing me but I was doing you know, these regular little Oakley or you know, or jobs like that. 100 bucks, 1500 bucks here and there. And so I couldn't turn that down. And so many times I would have a fight or even just training and have a black guy or a little cut or something, or cauliflower ear. And so I booked a job. And that's to call them and I'd always ask them, like, Can I get a producer? Can I get some makeup? Makeup wardrobe number, and I call them up and I say, Hey, you know, my name is Alan, I'm on the job with you in two days, I got a bit of a black guy swelling. All I need is like some makeup, you know you want because I've done it so many times. And it would be kind of shocked. But it always worked out and never was like an issue that I got in trouble on the job. And when you get there. They look at you a little crazy. But then like, I mean, I mean, you know, did you put some makeup on it? And then you're ready to rock. So yeah, I never messed me up. But I had to occur. I mean, many times, probably five or six times.

Unknown Speaker 1:10:51
That's hilarious. Yeah. Well, I mean, it sounds like you went about it the perfect way. You know, giving someone a heads up on the situation. helps in so many areas, right?

Unknown Speaker 1:11:00
Yeah, absolutely.

Unknown Speaker 1:11:02
at Wayne Waze, how did you meet Jason Ellis?

Unknown Speaker 1:11:08
What's up Wayne? Um, man. So Jason. I actually met him kind of through a friend of mine, Eddie Jackson got into training with forever. Eddie started training with and training Jason kind of he was he was kind of his boxing coach, I guess you could say and at Jackson was my teammates. So he started bringing Jason two sacks on muy Thai at the old location. That's how I met I met him in the gym a couple of times. And, and then he asked me to be on a show one time and years ago, I do a podcast and this and that. And this is like six years ago, and I was like, I was like, Okay, cool. Yeah, what it like, what do you do it at home? And none are like a show show. And I was like, okay, like, Where's it at? And it's an entity, though, you know, so it's on Sirius XM? I think we you actually, like make money doing this for a living? Is? Uh, yeah. Because I just couldn't comprehend it. I was still doing, you know, I've always done podcasts pretty much for free. It's just to kind of just to do it and just stay creative. And so um, that's how I met him. And he had me on the show, I met him in the gym. He brought me on his show. And then we've kind of just stayed in touch over the years, and Jason had a bad falling out with Sirius XM, sometime last year, and he called me, he goes, dude, I'm building a studio in my basement, putting my show the Jason Ellis show here, and I'm thinking about doing an MMA show. And so that's how we linked up. And like I said, I'm hoping I showed you continue. But I met him that way through the gym, and he was training and, and Jason has some fights under his belt. He's done some pro MMA and and maybe he's probably not pro boxing. But I met him in the fight world and then kind of went into the podcast world with him.

Unknown Speaker 1:12:49
Yeah, he's actually been a guest on our show. One of the most interesting people we've had on for sure.

Unknown Speaker 1:12:54
Oh, Jason, Jason was a guest on your show.

Unknown Speaker 1:12:56
Oh, come on. This is a perfect show for Jason right.

Unknown Speaker 1:13:00
Oh my god. It's so much more interesting to me. Like you can listen to Jason talk about this stuff for hours. I'm like, a church compared to Jason Oh my god,

Unknown Speaker 1:13:09
I'm so great. For the high level, or high profile people that did my show did our show sex and violence with rebel girl. You know, we are not even at our year mark. But we've had Jason Ellis, we've had Pauly Shore. We've had high level MMA fighters. We've had Kendra lust, like, you know, these people that, you know, I'm like, Hey, we're on episode four, you know, and they're like, sure. I'm like, thank you so much, guys. So he was one of those people. He jumped in. I think he's episode in the in the teens 12. He's Episode 12.

Unknown Speaker 1:13:41
Thanks, producer, Nate. That's crazy. I feel like it's the way that you approach people. Actually, I really do like the way that you were so professional, and you took all the burden off of people, I've got some other person or whatever, trying to get me to do a show right now. And I'm totally down to do it. I don't know nothing about it. But like, yeah, whatever, I'll do it. But I keep getting like an email and it's like a long email. Like, I don't feel like reading like five paragraphs, and it says click this link and then go and schedule a date and a time and then this and that. And I'm like, I got so much shit to do. Like I don't have time to even read this email much go and like, pick out a date and time because I don't know what's going on. But like, you were so good about it. And I don't know I'm getting I'm ranting now but no, I find it the way that you approach people that is having people say like, I'm gonna commit to this show, because she seemed like a cool girl.

Unknown Speaker 1:14:28
Well, you know, I think the cool thing about me in this position is that I understand the lifestyle of a lot of our guests, you know, so I know what it's like to have to be in fight camp. I usually try to talk to guests that are not in fight camp, because I know that's just one. One less thing I want to worry about. You know, I don't want to worry about being on a show. You know, maybe I'm a little grumpy during fightcamp I get hangry I don't want to come off as an asshole, you know. So I think it's about timing and just being flexible and and my crew here. Nate Jackson, our producer and DJ soul They're flexible as well. And that's what makes it work. We've only missed one episode this year, due to some, you know, unfortunate family issues that we had going on. But, uh, we're going strong. And you know, it's because of people like you giving us a chance. So thank you, Alan.

Unknown Speaker 1:15:16
No, well, my pleasure, and I'm glad to be a part of and I think that's super cool that you've done so many shows already with, with all those guests already.

Unknown Speaker 1:15:22
Yeah, a few more questions for you. And then we'll let you head out. We gotta at Pepe lepew 96. I love that guy's name. He's always asking questions to who's the greatest fighter you've ever trade with?

Unknown Speaker 1:15:34
I mean, I guess that would be easy. anacin silver, you know, black house, or Anderson definitely is one of those guys that we kind of alluded to earlier that may be fought a little bit too long. But when Anderson Silva was in his prime, he was greatness. And he was he was who I looked up to. And he's, he, you know, I'm a southpaw. He's a sophomore, he's a striker, kind of with a muy Thai base, same as me, it was so many things that he did. That was my style as well that I could just I could learn from him, though this works in the my style, my patterns and everything. And so I would study him since day one. And then, you know, fast forward 10 years in the game later, or, you know, five, six years ago when I first had to go into black house. Now I'm training alongside of them and sparring him. So for me, that was an amazing moment to like this to say like, I'm going to be a UFC fighter and actually accomplish a goal and now you're training along side, the guy that wanted to made you want to be a UFC fighter from the beginning. So yeah, that was that was definitely a highlight in the training area.

Unknown Speaker 1:16:32
You've had an amazing journey so far, and you know, not not quite over, but, but you definitely have already accomplished a lot of cool things and even training with someone I remember, I walked into black house and I was just coming off an injury. And it was a sparring day. And Kenny Johnson, our wrestling coach goes, Hey, go warm up with Anderson. But I'm like, Hey, are you like,

Unknown Speaker 1:16:54
Are you joking?

Unknown Speaker 1:16:54
He's like, just go light. And I'm like,

Unknown Speaker 1:16:57
Anderson, Silva? No,

Unknown Speaker 1:17:01
no, no, no, no.

Unknown Speaker 1:17:02
I mean, I

Unknown Speaker 1:17:03
was just like, an epic moment. You know, if that's all that ever happens, you know, with me and him. I'm like, Oh, I got to train with the amazing, one of the greatest of all times, you know, it's just, our sport is so cool like that, where you can, you know, start as such an amateur and then a few short laters be training with some of the best in the world, right.

Unknown Speaker 1:17:20
Yeah, okay. And it's just a little bit less egos in MMA as compared to boxing are the sports where, you know, sometimes it's politics or egos where you can't go to somebody's gym, but in MMA, you just set it I mean, you might have the best guy in the world and you might have like amateurs or up and comers training alongside them or in the same room or something. So you get to rub elbows with a lot of a lot of great fighters pretty frequently.

Unknown Speaker 1:17:42
Yeah. All right. Last fan question we got here at Senor dot bar. But best piece of advice you've ever received.

Unknown Speaker 1:17:52
No fresher piece of advice I've ever received. Jesus Christ. Oh, Senor. Whoo. I'm thinking deeply give me give me a few more seconds for

Unknown Speaker 1:18:07
hardwood. It definitely is. You

Unknown Speaker 1:18:09
know, it's like, Is it about fighting? Is it about your family? Is it about fine.

Unknown Speaker 1:18:14
I know 100% there's so many areas that can go into like a best piece of advice.

Unknown Speaker 1:18:22
I'll tell you what my was well,

Unknown Speaker 1:18:24
you think of your might help me? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:18:28
I did something very naughty. When I was 17. I was really bad kid and hanging out a bunch of punk rockers and I end up getting blackout drunk. And I stabbed this guy when I was 17 years old. And I went to juvie and almost lost my scholarship to go to college and wrestle and all that. And I was mortified. Not at the fact that I had done this thing, but all my friends, you know, abandoned me. And at 17 your friends or especially with someone like me, I didn't wasn't very close to my family. But the best piece of advice I had ever gotten, you know, I thought my life was over. My aunt she had told me she's like, you'll be surprised that in five years, some of the people that you think are the most important to you won't even matter. And I didn't get it at the time. But you know, obviously five years later, I'm you know, graduated from college and I didn't ever remember being heartbroken about those times. So what that basically told me was that even though right now all you can see is crumbling around you. You have to remember to look long term, right? Like in a few years it won't be this bad everything is gonna be better some day and every time things get hard for me I'm like all right. In five years from now, I won't even remember this you know, so that's some of the best advice I

Unknown Speaker 1:19:44
know of it's great man. I can't believe things like that stuff and somebody Jean Would you stand with? You don't mind me? Yeah, yeah, I'm thinking a little bit more. No,

Unknown Speaker 1:19:53
I mean, I don't know if you can tell I got this show called sex and violence. I'm very open person and I'm big on not worry. regretting what what happens in your life. And this thing happened to me I stabbed this guy when I was 17 with a knife, blacked out drunk, didn't remember woke up, my whole life changed, right? Had a scholarship and whatnot. But um, you know, you learn lessons. I stopped drinking for a while for four years in college and unfortunately, picked it back up and did some more damage to myself during my drinking years, but sober now. And yeah, just try not to stab anybody.

Unknown Speaker 1:20:31
Please don't actually. That's, you know, that's amazing. It's a crazy story. But

Unknown Speaker 1:20:40
if you don't know your advice, it's okay. But if you could think of it, but we do want to know,

Unknown Speaker 1:20:45
I was gonna say, when you thought about it, I'll see something real quick. Just because you're talking about it. It literally, I don't have like an actual piece of advice that somebody gave me. But I am have always been into like these like entrepreneur or positive thinking, just stuff like that, like on Instagram and things like that. And I'm always trying to figure out like, How can I be successful? How do you invest? How do you make money? How do you you know, like I talked about earlier in this show, making a list every day to get more things done. And I remember around that time people were talking about real estate and doing things and pulling the trigger and not waiting and you're throwing your money away if you're renting, and I was like well shit, what am I doing. And around that same time is when I got that Versace contract and fighting picked up. So I don't have a piece of advice but seen all this type of positive reinforcement about just pulling pulling the trigger taking a gamble, investing in your in your future and this and that is when we bought our house five years ago. And and our house has been such a blessing. Like I said, like during the pandemic, we had a home I wasn't my son was able to grow up here. We've got so many memories. And now that our house is for sale. The market is crazy right now. And so it was not only like a home for my family, but it was the best financial and I'm not trying to like talk money. I'm just saying, as a financial investment, but hadn't pulled that trigger. It would have been such a would have been such a huge loss to me and having done it, it pays off. So big and I was able to raise my family here. So I'm just glad at that time in my life when you're like I was kind of like new to getting a little bit of money, you know, fighting money and modeling money that I did something smart with it. And yeah, it paid off for me.

Unknown Speaker 1:22:27
Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely good to invest in things that are going to what's the opposite of depreciate? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 1:22:35
appreciate appreciate. There you go. I

Unknown Speaker 1:22:38
went to college. But Alan, thank you so much for coming on the show we have Where can we find you on social media Instagram, Twitter, and then also where can we hear good day MMA?

Unknown Speaker 1:22:52
Yeah, I keep it simple social media at Allen Jovana at a la NJO up and pretty much all my social media and then get a MMA is available on all social media platforms. So you can check it out on YouTube or any of those. Like I said, I feel like Jason has been hinting that we're on the chopping block. And that would, that would be so sad because we did a show the other day with this guy named Casey Michaud. He's a wounded warrior got his leg blown off in a tank, he became a power lifter and broke all these records. And now he's making this pro boxing debut. We went and scored the guy we had like, punching contest in the gut. And like, in a way he told his story we were raised. It's just so we have so much fun. And all I keep hearing is like how people were just in love with our show. But at the end of the day, we didn't have enough ratings for a certain amount of time, we might get cut and so I hope you guys go check it out. Give it a follow and maybe keep the show alive for a little longer. Yeah, I

Unknown Speaker 1:23:48
watched it myself super entertaining. I really think that you and Jason are the duo you know you just you guys conflict

Unknown Speaker 1:23:57
and violence me and Jace.

Unknown Speaker 1:23:58
It is it really is and you guys and I saw that body shot contest and oh my god, he went down first and I was what it looks like.

Unknown Speaker 1:24:08
I got to think I put myself in the hardest position here. I was getting punched twice many times.

Unknown Speaker 1:24:13
I'm sure that's true. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:24:14
225 pound Casey Mitchell and Jason on the other side. Yeah, getting beat up who would

Unknown Speaker 1:24:21
you like to hear next on sex and violence with rebel girl? It could be a

Unknown Speaker 1:24:25
fighter it

Unknown Speaker 1:24:25
could be someone like Casey you know who's just got an inspiring story. Who would you recommend to be our next guest

Unknown Speaker 1:24:33
Oh, you're asking me Oh, I think you're asking them the same you know what I mean? you saying that you think Casey I it makes me very curious is to be open and willing to come on a show like this. I don't know I don't know I'm on a personal level enough that he would be sharing that kind of stuff. He's also the type of guy that I mean, he's been through so much waking up in a tank and his leg is missing and his arm is dangling. He had to like you know like he had flashbacks. All he It's such a crazy story and a guy that accomplished so much. You would think people like that would be pretty open to saying, Look, man, I got a crazy story to tell for sure. And I'm open to saying and so I'll nominate him.

Unknown Speaker 1:25:09
Okay. All right.

Unknown Speaker 1:25:11
Thank you so much for coming on the show. Alan, I wish you the best of luck with all the commentating I hope to see you back in the gym and black house very soon. And yeah, just good luck.

Unknown Speaker 1:25:21
Thanks for having me on, actually, and I appreciate you taking it easy on me.

Unknown Speaker 1:25:23
I did. I did take it easy on you. And you're welcome. Bye. Well, that's it ladies and gents. Well, actually, I'm sure that the ladies enjoyed that one a little bit more. I'm super grateful to have such a very busy and high profile and interesting person such as Alan on the show, makes me happy to see my fellow teammates and co workers branching out into other lines of work. I think we fighters are such extremists that we tend to put all of our eggs in one basket a lot of the time, and I'm no different. But uh, you know, it's important to put yourself not it's boring to not put yourself in a box. You know, we're capable of so many other things. We've got to remember that, you know, we are not just the sport we've chosen. We can we have a lot to offer besides broken bones and slug matches to the world. And that goes for everybody, not just fighters. Congrats to all you guys out there working your asses off and whatever career you've chosen. And if you're not at the one that you desire yet, that's okay, keep grinding away. To me and Alan, it's always when you least expect it that the opportunity is born out of hard work and tenacity. Hope you guys enjoyed this week's episode of sex and violence with rebel girl. Have a great weekend all you deviance, check out the fights. And also don't forget to check out our YouTube channel which is linked in the show notes. And thank you so much for all of your questions every week special thank you to audio engineer DJ soul at DJ soul tomorrow kids studio at tomorrow kids official producer Nate Jackson at Nadir Domus and you can find us on Instagram at sex and violence with rebel girl and myself at Ashley MMA. And lastly, before we found this podcast, please please please give us a rate and review so that more people can check us out. And we you know, get a little higher on the charts and you know, more people can listen, the more shows we can do. So, again, remember, be kind be grateful, but don't take shit from anyone. Subscribe to this podcast and tune in next week to hear more tales of sex and violence.

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