Sex and Violence Hey guys, welcome back to sex and violence rebels, where we interview top level MMA fighters and other experts in their fields about love, dating, romance, and all the taboo subjects. I'm your host, Ashley, rebel girl, Evan Smith. Now let's talk about sex, and violence. What's happening the hot stuff? What's up my naughty listeners? I am so excited. This is a very special episode. If you tuned in for the first time you chose a great episode. For you longtime listeners. You know, this is an episode interview that I've been wanting to do for some time now. And I just can't tell you how excited I am I more nervous than my first interview. Just
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yeah, I just can't believe I get to talk to a true legend today. But before we talk to our guest, let me give you a quick update with what's going on with me. If you're just tuning in for the first time, this is the part of the show where I let you know, whatever I got going on in my life, and yeah, right now I'm still dealing with my spine surgery. I actually am just now getting back to physical therapy because on top of my spine surgery lucky me I had a little knee tendinitis sprinkled on. So I was doing some PRP injections. And in between each injection, I had to wait two weeks to do any kind of physical activity. So for the last two months, I have not been able to do crap. And so now even just getting back into physical therapy, yoga light running on the beach, it feels great. And so I feel like this is a new chapter, New Year, things are going good. I'll keep you guys updated. And last week, I told you guys I would be talking to the UFC supplied sports psychologist, his name is mike up, I had an appointment very quick one, you know, the first initial appointment with any kind of therapist is just, you know, establishing right like, This is who I am, this is what I'm going through and all that. So it's been a year and I've been dealing with all the mental and emotional struggles of this recovery and injury on my own. And, you know, I I knew that there was potentially a UFC supplied sports psychologist, but I didn't really know for sure. The other day, I took the advice of a friend and reached out. And I'm so glad I did because therapy and you know, that kind of help is just underutilized in our sport. I think we're the sport is full of tough ass individuals. And that's great. But sometimes we, myself included, we feel like reaching out for help makes us weaker. And that's absolutely not the case. So I'll keep you guys updated with you know how that goes. I think we're going to talk like once a week or whatever, and very cool of the UFC to start that because it's only been going on for the last three years. So yeah, so so good job UFC. quick housekeeping stuff, Spotify, still not working. If you're listening to this episode, you've obviously figured out that there are plenty of other platforms. Apple podcast, Google podcast, Stitcher, Amazon music, I Heart Radio, Pandora, overcast pod, bean, pod chaser, blah, blah, blah. The list goes on guys. We are everywhere. I just just not shot Spotify right now. So we're trying to figure it out. I sent them another email this morning. If any of you listeners out there have a friend at Spotify, tell them that we need sex and violence with rebel girl back on their platform. It really is my favorite platform. I used to be a big Pandora person. But now I'm all about Spotify and they're not doing me right. So come on, guys. Okay, enough shop talk. Let's talk fights. Last weekend we had a great card that was the first card of the year 2022. And now the UFC is first pay per view of 2022 takes place tomorrow night at the Honda Center in Anaheim, California. Whoop whoop, which is zoals and I backyard. You know, I just I thought like maybe I'll reach out for some tickets. But let's face it, I'm not really you know, I've been on the bench for a while and you would think that all UFC fighters get tickets to the event but not the case. So I think I'm going to save asking for some tickets for a later date when I'm feeling more in shape and sexy and wanna make a nice appearance in a dressing room and all that so I'll just be watching at home even though they're literally 10 minutes from my house. UFC 270 is headlined by UFC championship bout that will feature the first two title fights of the year and the main event is a highly anticipated showdown between Francis and ganhou and surreal gone and gone who captured the title by defending steepy myalgic in March last year, and he'll now attempt to defend his title for the first time when he faces gone this weekend. Tomorrow. The CO main event is a UFC Flyweight Championship trilogy bout between Brandon Marino and Davison figurado Moreno claimed the title from figurado in June of last year. Can he still get back tomorrow? What do you think is all?
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Unknown Speaker 13:23
Thank you. Thanks for having you know, taking the time to chat with me.
Unknown Speaker 13:27
No problem. You know, I I just don't think these younger fighters and these younger MMA fans, especially they know, the true roots of at least especially women's combat sports, you know, you are the definition of a pioneer and a trailblazer. You did it before it was ever done. And I am so grateful. And so I just want to put your story out there. And you know, I always knew you're a badass boxer. But unfortunately, I didn't know about all the other awesome things you had done until I watched the new Netflix documentary called untold deal with the devil guys, if you have not watched this, do yourself a favor. It's a little over an hour, but um, it you know, it inspired me on so many levels, because the listeners know that I'm going through my own personal recovery. And this is a story that whatever you're dealing with you watch your story and you think to yourself like man, I am a giant pussy I know she could go through what she went through what I'm what I'm dealing with is nothing and we all need that we all kind of need a little slap in the face kind of toughen up because you know your story is true grit and so inspiring. So I'm just gonna jump right into it. I want to I want to get to know you on a personal level. I want to know where you came from and what was growing up like
Unknown Speaker 14:49
oh, you know, things First of all, you know, thanks for having me again. But I just want to I came from a very small town in southern West Virginia. My dad truly is a coal miner. Probably maybe at the time of growing up, there was 1000, maybe 1200 People in my little town. Now there's probably about 500. Literally one mile long from Welcome to to now leaving. So of course, everybody knows everybody. Yep. Which is good and bad, everybody if they know you, they also know your business. My family, my grandparents, both sets of grandparents lived within a mile of my house growing up. Aunts and Uncles, everybody was right there. So it was, it was definitely different, probably than most people. But it was good. Yeah, I'm good. I'm from a
Unknown Speaker 15:47
relatively small town in northern California. And when I was in high school, that was 2005 to 2009. We had one well, at least out gay person. And I remember he got teased a lot. And this was in 2005 2009. So my question is, you know, small town, even prior to 2005, you know, what was it like, you know, struggling with your sexuality in a town that I'm sure there were no resources or mentors, there was no Internet, obviously, back then. What was it like with your sexuality and kind of going through that growing up?
Unknown Speaker 16:29
Well, you definitely know that that's not the acceptable route. And so you keep it hidden, who you are, how you feel. So so if you grow up living a lie, really and hiding, and never really being true to you are true to anyone. I look back at it now. And I wish I had a better relationship with my mother and wish I had been closer and, and all of that, why it didn't happen was because I was gay. And I couldn't just go home and tell my mother that hey, you know, my girlfriend and I blah, blah, blah, you know, you don't have those conversations. And, and I remember somebody asking me not too long ago, how do you know that that's not acceptable? So you know why? It really it really just came to me when they asked me that question. I said, because you don't come home from kindergarten class. And somebody asked you, who's your girlfriend, they come home, you come home from kindergarten, and they ask you who's your boyfriend? Yeah, from from the time you're just a little kid. It's always about who's your boyfriend? You know, it's never about who's your girlfriend. Of course, it's not about who's your friend. It's, people always want to make sure you have enough boyfriends. And that was a small town. Of course, that's the way it is. There's no in of course, there probably are a few gay couples in my little town, but they were made fun of ostracized a little bit. So you don't you don't really want to be that, but you want to be true to who you
Unknown Speaker 18:05
are. Yeah. I can imagine and in this documentary, you know, you go a little bit in depth about your relationship with Sherry, but you just kind of say that, you know, you got to keep it a secret. And you know, now that you're older, and you know, times have changed. Looking back now. Was Sherry, your first girlfriend first lesbian experience?
Unknown Speaker 18:29
Oh, yeah. Yeah. But I mean, yeah, she was the first but I was I was only like, 1212 or 13. So nothing was 12. So yeah, she was she was my first girlfriend. And, you know, at the time, I loved her. And was frustrated that I couldn't let people know that, that I loved her.
Unknown Speaker 18:55
Yeah, I remember that. You mentioning that. That frustration kind of fueled you. When you start boxing. I know you started in that tough man tournament and caught the bug, which is kind of how we all do it. I wrestled on a Boys High School team as a dare. And then I just, you know, I was like, Oh, shit, this is fun. You know, and you just keep it up. You fall into it, but then you're just so lucky later. So you know one thing I was wondering, Sherry was your first girlfriend your first lesbian experience? You know, very young, obviously. But and then you jump in the documentary. At least you jump we jump to Jim, where their girlfriends or boyfriends before your ex husband?
Unknown Speaker 19:35
Yeah, there were there were both boyfriends and girlfriends. And he knew he can say what he, you know, in a Netflix documentary kind of denied that he knew that's such bullshit. Yes. I sat with him as a coach. And you know, he's 25 years older than me. It was a person you know, as an athlete yourself. You have a different bond with a coach and that's what I I trusted him and basically told him everything. I mean, I had a girlfriend at the time when I was in Bristol, Tennessee, so, and he knew her. So it wasn't, it wasn't. It wasn't something he didn't know.
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Yeah, yeah. And, you know, it's funny because everything's said and done, and he's still lying locked up in jail. Like, come on, dude. Like, you could tell the truth now. Okay, so these are so personal, obviously. But you've opened up to it. And as you and I spoke previously, before this episode, sometimes it gives others inspiration and hope to talk about these kinds of things. So when you were dealing with your sexuality, did you think you were bisexual? Because you had had boyfriends and girlfriends? Or, you know, were you just attempting to be quote, unquote, I'm using air quotes, normal and just date men.
Unknown Speaker 20:53
Um, you know, I know that different people have different thoughts about bisexuality. And the most people think it doesn't exist, or the one or the other. I think, you know, was young, so it was very confused. Like, I had a boyfriend before Sherry, that I had you all, you know, you're young, you have a bunch of boyfriends, but I had a really boyfriend that I truly cared about father, you know, the sun rose and said, you know, this is the one on that. Very came along. And I was like, wow, you know, these are different emotions. Yeah. So I actually dated him often on throughout high school. And, you know, I had other boyfriends from time to time, but it was always really coming back to sherry or, yeah, coming back to Sherry until I was getting ready to go to college. And then I had a new platform. Yeah. So,
Unknown Speaker 22:02
yeah, I mean, it's all you know, just trying to navigate the situation and the feelings and especially the time, you know, I can't imagine, you know, you get into moving forward, fast forward, you are navigating your sexuality. And then you meet Jim as a trainer, and I know in the documentary you said, you were celebrating after one of your wins. And you just kissed him and you kind of like looking back now you're like God dammit, because that probably was the snowball of affection and in the show of emotion and then it you know, turned into what it was. But did you did you see him romantically? I mean, I want to say kind of like obviously dub but or did you see him more as you know, someone who's going to help progress your career?
Unknown Speaker 22:49
I think that I saw him as someone that was going to make life easier on the acceptable side, like this is gonna make it easier with my family. This is gonna make it easier with the public with some friends the public world. Yeah. And then then as boxing got a little bit, I got a little more serious about boxing and he would often tell me, you know, you can't you have to be fair, man, you can't be butchy you can't be Daiki and all this stuff and be accepted by the boxing world. And so it was just easy and when I often say that, you know really married boxing, I didn't really made your mark. Very boxing. Yeah. And that's, that's really the truth because I sometimes had love for him like you do a coach like you do. That person that is teaching you you look up to me respect that mentor, but write it but as a husband, I can remember at some point mid midway through like, the career as it was really gaining steam, I'm like, you know, I wanted to be happy. I wanted to feel in love. I wanted to just feel loved and in love and all that and all this awesome stuffs going on. So I tried really hard to be in love with him and I I just couldn't, I just couldn't I just I remember walking through the casinos on fight week they can how awesome this would be that it would be to be sharing this experience with somebody that that I truly loved. And I felt like truly loved me. Yeah. But
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I didn't have that. Of course. Yeah. I mean, and it makes sense too, because, you know, people will never truly understand how frowned upon it was unless you've actually been in that situation. So yeah, I can see how marrying your trainer and older established respect did in the boxing community, man would make your life and, you know, you mentioned Jim putting emphasis on you know you your image and your femininity. Now, you know, you took it to another level in interviews, bad mouthing and trash talking, which is part of the sport, but trash talking some of your opponents, and you know about them being Butchie and stuff like that. And, you know, back then people didn't know that you yourself, were struggling with your sexuality. So it kind of want to know, like, Was that hard for you to go out there and pretend to be someone that you knew you weren't?
Unknown Speaker 25:38
Absolutely, there was dangerous. And I would tell him that because he you know, he would he would insist and push for me to say these things. And I would tell him, right, Jim, you just somebody from my past? They're gonna come forward. Yeah, they're gonna say is, this might be what you think. But this is what I know. And you know, for whatever reason, I guess, people that that I was in a serious relationship with a serious relationship with, you know, they were all pretty much for taking their own image, I guess. But, and maybe I didn't worry about them as much as the the fringe people, the people in the friends that I kind of knew, or maybe I knew, didn't really like me, you know, I just always thought there's gonna be somebody somewhere that's going to come up and say something, but, you know, fortunately, or unfortunately, I don't know, which never happened. Yeah, no one ever outed me, but I definitely deserved it. And I will tell, I'll tell him also, you are so homophobic. And usually when someone's so homophobic, it's because they question their own sexuality. Oh, yeah. And, and I believe that, I mean, I believe that wholeheartedly about him.
Unknown Speaker 26:51
Yeah, I mean, we'll get to it later. But, you know, this is the same guy who is asking you to wear strap ons. And so, you know, might be safe to say that he's a little gay, you know, you know, but, um, you know, so, so back to, you know, the trash talk and all that. And, you know, I'm so glad now that you know, you're married, and you're in a happy marriage with a woman Lisa, a former opponent. But yeah, the the gay community actually embraced you. But your fear back then was that it would ruin your career?
Unknown Speaker 27:27
Well, you know, he had convinced me that the boxing world would turn on me if they found out that I was gay. And and I believe that I mean, it was it was still it was in the mid 90s. And and things are a lot different now. than they were at that time. So So I bought into it. Not knowing really that look, really the fight fans, if you're a good fighter, they don't really give a shit who you're sleeping with. Yes, they want to see you fight.
Unknown Speaker 27:54
Yeah. But some of that stuff is true that he said with the, with the image, you know, even even today, it's it's so weird, because you've got these female fighters who, you know, you could be a badass female fighter, but if you know, you're not the best looking, you might not get as many opportunities. And then you've got these, you know, mediocre female fighters who really market themselves, you know, Sex sells. And, you know, look, I got a sex podcast, I'm not over here, pointing fingers. But you know, if you know how to play the game and market yourself, right, you can get more options. And that's, you know, was the true back then. And it's true today.
Unknown Speaker 28:33
Right, and it's a shame actually, some of the female fighters that I talked to now, and I actually just recently signed my first female fighter, Destiny Jones. She's really a pretty girl. She's actually gay. But she can fight I mean, she can fight. But I try to tell them and it's not about selling sex first, even though that's probably what the world really wants to see. And you have to be able to fight Yeah, to fight Yep. And stand on your abilities. Not just your God given sexuality or not sexuality, but sexing us and so you know, some people have it and some people don't? Yeah, in my error, you know, it was me a St. John was all about six sales. And I get it. I mean, hey, she figured out how to get paid. So more power to her, but I would be insulted because I knew I was a real fighter. I just wasn't, you know, it was it pretty girl, the sexy girl. I was just the fighter. Yeah. And it was yeah, sometimes disheartening. Yeah. Like, I'm busting my ass and she's, she's getting a lot of attention to for not
Unknown Speaker 29:38
fighting for at all for sure. For sure. And, you know, not that he ever said anything that was that great. But he you know, he might have known who is talking about Jim, when he was saying that, you know, you put a lot of emphasis on your looks, but you know, he he was just trying to make the money as well. It seems like
Unknown Speaker 29:57
it was all about making the as much money for him as as I possibly could.
Unknown Speaker 30:03
Yeah, and this is a loaded question. So answer however you want. But, you know, looking back now in hindsight, what would you tell yourself young Christie Maren young Christie Salters. About your career? You know, because obviously you listened and did everything that Jim said like a good athlete. You know, you do what your coaches coach says.
Unknown Speaker 30:24
Take control of your own finances. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't matter. And the craziest thing about it is, and I'm sure you know, enough research, you can find the quotes where I would say the only reason that I don't worry about the money is because I share the same bank account with Jim and I, I sleep with the same bed. And both of those things were bullshit. Yeah, he was, it was so managing to to steal money. And it's crazy. So I'm an athlete. You know what, when you're an athlete, you just want to be an athlete, you just want to play your sport, you just want to train, you just want to go out there and compete. You don't want to have to worry about anything else, you know, like, nothing else exists. You're the year this is your world. Yeah, your sport, whatever your sport may be. But but you just have to be on top of all of
Unknown Speaker 31:20
this. Yeah, that's great information. I'm, I always joke around my, my partner, my boyfriend, he, you know, he's good with numbers. And I just, you know, I've been an athlete my whole life, I'm trying to better myself now and set my life up for post fight life. But you know, at the end of the day, I kind of say some meathead things, and I'm like, I'll worry about that later. I'll worry about that later. But it's right, you're right. It's you need to take control of your life, not just in finances. But you know, the one thing I've learned over this pandemic is closed mouths don't get fed. And I think women sometimes, you know, just society has said, Oh, shut up, look pretty. And we're kind of programmed to not take as many chances or ask for help or, you know, ask for equal rights. And so, yeah, I've definitely learned that it's, it's this day and age, you need to just do things for you and not let things happen.
Unknown Speaker 32:18
For sure, I mean, because you have to be your best and biggest fan and advocate, you have to go out there and, and do for you. Because if you wait for somebody else to help you, you know, the ship could pass you right on by why you're staying there. Even if somebody is telling you that they have your best interests at heart, and they're going to do this and they're going to do that for you. You just have to be strong, stronger, and I'm working hard at that myself led to just be stronger. To stand up for me and the stand for me not not let people just kind of run over me. Yeah, believe it or not, I know, probably from the boxing career, people probably think I'm strong, and I'm strong minded and strong willed and a little bit of an asshole that that part is true. You know, I take a lot of shit, I just take it and take and trying to not I'm trying to not take it anymore. I'm trying to really stand for myself and, and be confident. That's what I again, it's crazy to think that I didn't have confidence, but I really do.
Unknown Speaker 33:22
Well, you were really good at selling that image that Jim helped you portray, right, you know, be more feminine than probably then what you wanted, you know, I put makeup on for this podcast, but every fucking eyelash I'm like, I hate this shit, you know? And then, you know, talking about other women, you know, who were gay and all that, you know, what would you you know, what advice you know, would you give yourself now, about being who you are, you know, not just like the finances. But I guess, you know, my questions stemming from if there's, you know, you know, you and I know that there's a lot of people out there struggling with their sexuality, and you've just been through it all, you know, you've had to hide who you were, and then you, you got outed and then now you're living the life you want to live. And so, yeah, what advice would you give men or women who are currently struggling with their sexuality?
Unknown Speaker 34:16
You know, it's just not worth it. It's just not worth it to hide who you truly are. To share story. So four years ago, when I got ready to get married to Lisa, I called my mother and I said, you know, we're getting married in two days. And she's like, she's like, No, no, like, yelling, and in this whole, like, crushed voice. Don't do it. Don't do it. No. And I just told her, I said, You know what, Mom? I live for 20 years. Inhale to make you happy. And I'm gonna live the next 20 years to make me happy. Yeah, don't don't you know, people out there don't live those 20 years to make someone else happy. We don't know that. were promised 20 more days or 21 minutes. Don't Don't let one more minute pass you by that you're not putting you number one. And you're not making you happy.
Unknown Speaker 35:10
Yes. I love that. Great advice. I love God. It's so crazy, you know, everything that you had been through with your ex, you know, and she's still upset about this.
Unknown Speaker 35:22
Like, that's what I could never get it. I'm like, you just be happy. I'm alive. Yeah, that was that's hurt me the most. Yeah, let's be happy. I'm alive. But yeah.
Unknown Speaker 35:36
Easy handle, you know, right there. Like you say, in the beginning of this conversation, you're like, oh, it's hard growing up in a small town. But that right there. That's how deep the roots in a small town, you know, of just kind of anti acceptance, you know, it's like, after everything that was said, and, you know, you were this iconic boxing legend. And you went through this, you know, being shot and stabbed, survived fought six months later, you know, and now you're like, you know what, let me just be me. And and still even your own mother, you know, and that's crushing. And I know though these are the types of horror stories that people struggling with their sexuality. They think about you know, because how long has it been since you know, all that happened? And, you know, your mother's still is doesn't want you to be happy, be with who you truly are. So, I hope things are better. Now. I don't you know, it's been a few years. I think you were married to Lisa 2017. You
Unknown Speaker 36:32
said, right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, it is much better I think she sees that the world doesn't care. And the world is still very the world very rarely the boxing world anyway, it's very accepting and very loving and, and, I mean, where there are fights where we are at fights all the time. I'm on the phone with promoters. I'm actually running the show for Don King this coming weekend. And I told him I like look, I need some help. I have my wife she'll she'll come we run Christie, my promotions, we can we can do this DKP promotion, don't worry. And you know, it is what it is. No one's no one's like, Oh, my God, they can't do it. Because they're gay. We're, we're doing it.
Unknown Speaker 37:15
Yeah, you are. to backtrack a little bit. I like to call it the beginning of the end. You know, before everything went down with being shot and stabbed, I know that you were together for I think it was seven years. And in the documentary, you were Jim said that you guys didn't spend one night apart in those seven years. And at one point, you know, you started doing I think it was after the ALI fight. You know, the cocaine and the drug use started happening, but I think that's because he wasn't letting you leave the house. And he was like, obviously, he's a master manipulator. You know. So what was it like to try and get away before every all the bad stuff happened? You know, the violence. Obviously, there was domestic violence in the ring. Like you said, he started sparring really hard with you knocked you out, which is just, you know, before that you had never been knocked out. So you know, the slow build of just like I said, the beginning of the end. What was that like to know? Like, I just want to get away from this guy, but not know how.
Unknown Speaker 38:20
Right? We were together? Actually. 19 years? Oh, Christ. Yeah. And, and he was he was like a stalker. And it was it was so hard because our lives my personal and private life were so intertwined that, that I couldn't, I didn't know how to get away. Yeah. I had actually approached him once with a contract. And, and in the contract, it explained that I'll take on all these expenses. Basically, I'll take on every every debt, every expense, everything, just leave, just divorce me and leave, go go back where you came from. And I and I'll take on all the expenses, don't worry. He had not even he wouldn't even consider any of that. You know, his whole response was always if you leave me I will kill you. I mean, that was his that was his response from before I married him. But as I said, before I married him. I was 22 years old. 23 years old. I don't know. And he would say that I thought, sure, you know, he laughed those things off. But I, as time went on, and maybe 10 or 12 years in, I think I started realizing that no, this is really the way it's gonna end. And then by 2010 I knew this is the way it was going to end and I knew it was going to end on that day, on November 23 2010. By the grace of God, I'm still here to talk to you.
Unknown Speaker 39:58
And then we are so happy because You know, these are the kinds of stories that, you know, inspire and give people hope. And you know, it is my hope that someone dealing with a similar or, you know, even slightly similar situation, hears this and goes, I don't want to wait until you know, I'm shot or stabbed lying on the floor crawling away, you know for that to be my my getaway. Because not everyone is as tough as Christie Martin, how you survived getting shot and stabbed? I don't know, you know, and I'm not a religious woman. But, you know, I think you're here. Because you know, you're going to give other people hope of how to get out. You know, now that everything's done, I actually have a friend who's living in Las Vegas in a domestic violence situation. And because there's a law, she's living with someone who's not even paying rent, but you know, he's lived there for a certain amount of time. So like, she's kind of stuck with him, but he's abusive. And I know, you know, there's, there's got to be another way for her to get out of that situation. But I just don't know, I've never dealt with it. Now that you've been through everything. And you know, I know that you are also involved with domestic violence groups. I think you have like a nonprofit or set some is that right?
Unknown Speaker 41:16
Yep. We have Christie's champs, which is a domestic violence nonprofit to do. And I go on I speak I, I do. We do boxing seminars, we do an Amateur Boxing Tournament. We had bike runs we've had despite k runs anything and everything that we can get people to pay attention and and learn about domestic violence. Because sometimes, believe it or not, people think I'm included. Like I really I didn't realize I was in a domestic violence situation. I just know it was in a really screwed up situation. Yeah, but I didn't I didn't understand because, yes, he had hit me. Yes. We had had fights. I hit him back sometimes. But I didn't really understand that. The mental and emotional abuse was domestic violence. Yeah, yeah. I was just like so many people. You think it's only about bruises? Well, it's not. Because usually, I'm going to say usually, it's going to be it starts out with just control and stalking and and just like mental breakdown, there'll be downs. Yeah. And then it goes into the whole physical abuse. Yeah. And whether that be physical abuse, you know, hopefully it doesn't get to the point of being shot and stabbed. But, yeah, you have to start you have to cut it, you know, nip it in the bud before it gets to that, and you don't. I mean, it's just the middle beatdown at that point. Why, I mean, why do you want to be around somebody that just mentally, every time something in my situation, every time something positive happened, it was a mental beatdown coming on me, it was why it was all about him. Not anything that I had done, it was all about, you know, he had been able to manipulate show Sports Illustrated to get me on the cover. That was bullshit. He, I mean, no one even knew I was gonna be on the cover. until like, two weeks before, and they in Sports Illustrated, called me and they said, we are going to get elevated to the cover story, if no one dies or anything happened in sports. And and so for two weeks, I'm like, you know, first thing I do is open up the paper and everything and say, Oh, good, every, you know, imports, everything looks good. Okay. So I'm just gonna cover Sports Illustrated, but to have that even taken away from that something that awesome. You know, it was always wanting to rain on my parade.
Unknown Speaker 43:48
He always wanted to take the credit. And you know, I understand in your situation, not not everyone's situation, but you know, your finances were wrapped up your image or app was wrapped up, he was your trainer. So like, I understand that so many levels of how how hard it was to get out, you know, back to my friend in Las Vegas, you know, now that you, you know, so much experience, you know, good and bad. What, what advice would you give to someone who just feel stuck in in a domestic violence situation? I know, there's hotlines to call, but um, you know, let's say someone doesn't recognize the the signs early on, like you said, like, you know, the the controlling and the manipulation and all that which he has done, you know, he's literally taken away her phone and quote unquote, grounded her, you know, you can't talk to these right? Yeah. And I'm like, you know, and I'm trying to be a good friend and not criticize her because my first reaction is like, you need to be strong and you need to not let him do this to you. But I'm like, that's, you know, like, it's not about tough love Ashley, you know, I also I'm trying to like harness my you know, sensitive side because I've never been in the situation because I don't think I would allow myself to but some of the strongest women just like you get caught up in the city. and it doesn't discriminate you can be the toughest of the tough, you know, or you can be, you know, a very introvert quiet person.
Unknown Speaker 45:09
And that's what's so crazy because in my situation where it seemed as though I was very strong and outspoken and going, but yet I let him control me 100% And that was just like with with your friend, if she's recognizing the signs, that's the problem. Like sometimes people don't recognize it you on the outside looking and can see this is not right. But maybe, though she won't accept it. Well, the number one thing is once you decide that you're going to go left to go. And it's go and don't come back. Don't Don't look back, you know, it's like, go forward, and never look over your shoulder. Never. second guess your decision. Just go forward. Yeah. And there's, there's good stuff out there, that we just have to work a little harder to find it.
Unknown Speaker 46:00
Yeah, yeah. And and, you know, even though social media can be just a shit show and, and a place full of hate. There's also a lot of great resources out there. And, you know, anyone listening? You know, I don't even know what to say. But it's, you know, I feel like nowadays there's more resources than even back then. And, and I think there's help available you just got to, you know, reach out.
Unknown Speaker 46:25
Absolutely. Anybody that's listening can can hit up cruces champs, whether it be on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, whatever, whatever social media and, and I and my team will get right back to to anybody. And we do all kinds of things. I mean, if it's helped you financially, get out of the plate, get out to get you a plane ticket. We're all about that. We just we don't want anyone to be left in a situation where you're lying on your bedroom floor with your logo and
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Unknown Speaker 48:38
I think people to understand because Jim was really good at portraying himself as as this loving husband at this great like promoter of me as a fighter promoter. He is a person this is what he was doing behind closed doors. You know, he was a he's a sexual deviant for sure. And I'm not a man so I can't understand the whole thing. I want to see my wife walk around with a strap on I don't get it. He you know, don't don't shave any hair, like from your legs or your underarms like you know, like that's like a man. Yeah, wait a second. And it's not right. But But I want for three years. That's my house. I mean, I would get my mail because I was afraid that neighbors would see me Hi. But I woke up to coke on a you know, I woke up to call even when I would train even even there was a minute when I had pain. And when I would get tired. I'll be like, you know, I'm tired. He would just cut up a line and bring it to me. I had my gloves on. heavy bag. And um, you know, bring me a line.
Unknown Speaker 49:52
That's wild. That's wild.
Unknown Speaker 49:54
That's Come on. That's not somebody that loves you know it, you know? At this point, I know that there's so much happening with sexually, there's so much happened that anybody that that loves, you are not going to let you get dicted to cocaine and be your supplier. I mean, it's one thing if I was out getting it myself, or I had to leave my house, it was delivered to me by him or delivered to me by his person his connection. I never left my house,
Unknown Speaker 50:25
of course, because when you're high, I'm sure you're easier to manipulate and control, you know, like, Absolutely, of course. So I'm sure that's a tactic of abusers out there. And seems like Jim did all that stuff. One of my questions as I was walking, watching the documentary, I realized you started training with your now wife to prepare for the ollie fight. Super awesome. And I'm like, Man, I wonder if Christie confided in Lisa at this point, because that was in looking at my notes. 2003 that you guys started training together?
Unknown Speaker 51:00
Right? Yeah, no, no, I, because I didn't trust anybody. Wow, I had even though, she said and I think I remember the conversation, but I'm not 100% Sure. But she said she's jumping rope with my gym and she starts talking to me about sure about my sexuality. And I'm, you know, I have a girlfriend, she was married to a man as well. At one time, a long time ago, and and, and she said, I just had a stroke and shook my head and walked away. And really had no conversation with her. So no, there was never any Wow, because again, I just I didn't know we're like that. And even my very, very, very best friend. Didn't know would that anything about my
Unknown Speaker 51:54
sexual would that be shorty? Was would he be No, no. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 51:59
No, I mean, I had I sparred with him for a long time. He was a very good friend, but no,
Unknown Speaker 52:05
no, okay. Okay. I just, you know, I was thinking, I'm like, man, maybe that's when her and Lisa started connecting on a romantic level, or at least just like a deeper friendship, but maybe not. It was just all business back then.
Unknown Speaker 52:18
It was business. She did, actually. Oh, good story. I, that was like, the first time that she came in are with me. I think that the next time she came as far as with me, for whatever reason, and no one had ever, like, stayed at my house that had been in this bar with me, or I didn't really even have people. Like, come to to to my house or like, be in that you know, circle. And for whatever reason, Jim was like, oh, yeah, just just have her stay here. So she did and, and I was getting ready to fight. Oh, my goodness, I was getting ready to fight in Louisiana, I think and I can't remember what the girl's name was. She was from Indiana, maybe. So I was getting ready to fight and really sick. I mean, deathly ill that week that Lisa was there. And Jim left. Of course hearing you're in bed sick. I'm totally so I can't go train because I'm just sick. She made tea, hot tea. Crackers. And you know, she's taking my temperature. She she brought tea into me trying to Mother Yeah. And she said, she did this she she like, because I couldn't tell her where a thermometer was in my house. I didn't know I couldn't tell her. And so she leaned down and like, put her her cheek against my forehead. And like to take my temperature. But, but that was that was it, you know, but I did tell everybody that I knew like, she was so nice to me. And like, no one's ever nice to me like that. She just, she made me tea. She you know, was kind of tried to take care of me to see if I the temperature and things like, you know, like, people don't care about somebody. Yeah, but she was just, that's just her nature.
Unknown Speaker 54:06
It was it was probably so abnormal and weird for you. Because for so long, Jim had put you in this little bubble not allowed you to be around anyone and you know, like you found out afterwards, obviously, but so many people would have just, you know, loved and embraced you. No matter who you choose to fucking sleep with. It doesn't matter. And, you know, I wonder I'm sure. Did Lisa ever tell you later that, you know, she started to have feelings for you back then. Or was it later?
Unknown Speaker 54:39
Um, no, I think. I don't know. I don't know. I haven't. I haven't had that conversation like that. Even though I tease her and tell her that I know it was it was been she was after me. But
Unknown Speaker 54:53
I just wonder cuz I remember in the documentary, something that she said, you know, it may be like Whoa, dang, those are harsh words. She said, you know, Christie could have mentioned other women and it just felt like she had a little sting, you know, like she was a little bitter still. Yeah. And that you didn't, you know, kind of elevate women while you were in the spotlight, which obviously, we know now the situation. And, you know, I thought to myself, Wow, she probably had real hatred for Christie. And now they're, they're married, like, wow, well, you know, like, maybe I'll just have to have a Lisa on some day. But, you know, what a crazy 361 80 Whatever, you know, just a wild how the world works out?
Unknown Speaker 55:36
Absolutely. Yeah, I think I think she doesn't say she just pulled in the driveway.
Unknown Speaker 55:43
She, she still I think, have hard feelings away. And we see things differently about women's boxing women in sports. You know, as I've always said, I just want people to see me as a good fighter, I didn't really realize or, or think at the time that I should be the woman that wanted the box on my on my shoulders and, you know, carry us all to the forefront. I felt like, it was obvious that I was a woman when I was boxing. So that was doing that statement for boxing each and every time I was out there. But But now, I see that I didn't have to be so about it. I could have I could have said those things, but still not been so detrimental about all the other women trying to get for, you know, I was fortunate enough to get
Unknown Speaker 56:34
Yeah, but I mean, you know, I want to kind of cut you some slack because you're literally a product of your environment and your environment is is is, you know, hatred towards, you know, not I wouldn't say other women, but you know, he's over here saying that, you know, the Bush fighters and you know, you know, all the other negative comments, and probably primarily women boxing back then, you know, just, you know, weren't all dolled up and all that. And so, I feel like you've got a little bit of an excuse of why you didn't do that, but
Unknown Speaker 57:08
so appreciate. That don't get from everybody. Yeah, I
Unknown Speaker 57:12
mean, God, you just got to take the whole situation into consideration. And, you know, I think Lisa said it in the documentary. It's like, you never know what someone is going through behind closed doors, yet. You were really good at being like, I'm, I'm a bad bitch, you know, and this and that. But, you know, you were your submissive, extremely submissive to Jim, you know, and and no one would understand that unless you did an hour and a half documentary. No. So yeah. So that's why I give you some slack. Because now I know, you know, and there's probably a lot of people who still don't know what you went through. Because like I said, I'm younger, you know, but I just knew Christie Martin, badass boxer. And then I watched the documentary. And I'm like, there's so much more to your legacy. And I'm just so grateful to have you on here. Because there's so many people in the world still going through similar situations. And six months after you were shot and stabbed. You got into God, you are just a tough bitch. You know what I say that? So much love, you know, but six months later, you stepped into the ring. And you thought, oh my gosh, I forget her name, stone, Dakota stone. And the goddamn Doctor stopped it because you broke your hand in the first or second round.
Unknown Speaker 58:27
Yeah, I broke the hand, like probably like in the third round, and I broke my hand and then 50 seconds from my 50th When I'm winning on all cards, all I had to do was finish the fight on my feet. And yeah, the doctors talked like,
Unknown Speaker 58:42
I cried, I cried, I cried watching the documentary. And so you weren't going to stop it. You are going to fight with you know, one leg and one arm it didn't matter. But, you know, we do a little it does. Netflix does a decent job of explaining that. This seemed to be your I don't need gym moment. Like I can fucking do this. On my own. You know, this is about Christie Martin not not him. So now everything that you've been through, you know, I just want to know, like, what advice do you give to someone dealing with the aftermath? You know, I know, therapy or, you know, whatever, you know, you did for closure. Everyone's different. But any advice just dealing with everything now that it's said and done?
Unknown Speaker 59:33
Yeah, for sure. For sure. I think therapy is like probably number one, you have to talk to somebody and it's usually better to talk to somebody that doesn't that really has doesn't have a fight, you know, know you personally. But then she can just be open and real too. I think that that's that's probably the number one thing. My thing was I I felt like I needed to get back to boxing because I did as you said I wanted to show Jim that I could win without him. And, and oh my god, so close. I was so close. And I'm so upset that was jerked out from under me. And the crazy thing and I don't know if you remember the documentary says this or not, but I had spoken at France. And one of my live the topic of my speech was ringside physicians, Cornermen. Everybody else out there need to protect fighters from themselves? Yeah, because, you know, we as fighters are just too tough sometimes. And that ringside doctor was at that conference. So he actually came back to my dressing room and told me remind me, Chrissy, I was at that conference in Orlando when you were speaking, and he said, We have to protect them. So let's talk about I wasn't talking about me. Yes. Come off. 50 seconds from my 50th win. And that's all I want. Yeah. And I can do it without him. But it was I had I had wanted to get to that round number 50 For a long time. So
Unknown Speaker 1:01:06
yeah, well, in my eyes, and I think a lot of people who watched that fight, you won, you got that, you know, you won so many people over just getting in the cage. After everything you'd been through six months later, you crazy mofo, you know, like, so, so badass and, you know, inspiring. And that was, you know, you know, me going through my little spine surgery. That's the kind of thing that I think about, on the, I won't say a daily basis, but you know, there are hard times and there are good times, and whenever I'm feeling really sad, I I'm like, what what Christie Martin do. I really do. And I'm just like, trying to harness that, that toughness that, you know, that I can do anything mentality. And so now everything's said and done. You're married to Lisa, your former ring rival? You are the CEO of Christie Martin promotions. And you also have Christie's champs, the nonprofit organization. I mean, life seems to be going great. Is there anything that you would tell yourself? You know, I'm sure there's a lot of things but, you know, is there anything you would tell yourself in hindsight to help you out, you know, like, the end of your career?
Unknown Speaker 1:02:26
Well, like, the end of my career is I stay too long, number one, and you think so? Yeah, absolutely. You know, I stay too long. I came back and forth after having a stroke in a bomb and I lost so I got that, you know, I have to live with that every day. But, but the you know, just until the younger me is an athlete. Don't let one day go by, you know, and slowed down. And that was one of the things like that I tell my guys that I promote now. I don't care if you've had one site, or you know, 10 bytes. 25 refight every fight on your way out to the ring. And take it in for a second. Yeah, cuz you don't know. You don't know. That might be the last time you know me. You know, who knows? Maybe, maybe, for whatever reason you decided to never box again. You could get hurt anything that happened? That could be it. Take it in? Yeah, that's what life I just would with your sports you might be playing but just to slow down and you know, saying smell the roses. Well, I wish that somebody had been with me, told me to slow down. And like really, really enjoy this. I did have a PR guy that told me to start writing. Yeah. A lot during my career every day, I tried to journal I journal but then I found out you know, Jim was reading it. So oh, so then I started writing bullshit, you know, shoot in there, or I wrote in code to myself, but then years passed by and you're like, the hell did I mean? You know, it's more than anything is just in enjoy every moment because you don't know what the next day is gonna
Unknown Speaker 1:04:14
bring. You. It's true. It's true. You know, I used to, to run out to my I was to run out to the cage. And now I walk as slow as humanly possible. Because, you know, it's, you know, like you said, that may be my last bite, you never know. And when you get into the ring, when you get into the cage, you know, there's obviously kind of like this unwritten agreement that you could die. You could, that could be your last. You know, you we know it sounds crazy to say it out loud. And we don't want to talk about it because it's not a fun part of the career that we've chosen, you know, the sport that we've chosen. But um, yeah, I'd now embrace it or sorry. Just, you know, what's the word I'm looking for? You know, just kind of let it thinking as much as possible. Now, one thing you just said about fighting too long. And you know, you're not the only person to say that there's a lot of fighters who fight past their prime, right. And I don't want to be one of those fighters, you know, I know I'm healing from my injury. I'm still, you know, kind of young, in young in life a little bit older in the fight game. I'm 34 What are some signs in your opinion, you know, like, hey, it's time to hang it up.
Unknown Speaker 1:05:31
You know, what, really, I think I told everybody that it wasn't a job to me, I loved it. And when when it became a job, when I started to look at it as a job and worry about how much money I was or was not going to make for a fight, then I didn't want to do it anymore. Because now it's not you're not doing it for the love of the sport anymore. You're doing it for the for the money, your job. Yeah. And, and that that truly is a time to to call it a day. It's hard to do that. Oh, yeah. Especially when you know that I can make another 100,000 I can make another 250,000. You know, it's hard to say, Nope, I'm done.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:13
Yeah, it is. And like you said before, those are the times where you should hopefully you have someone in your corner that can tell you like, hey, let's find another route to make money because it's not all about money. You know, you got to have some, some brain cells left for the rest of your life. Right? You know,
Unknown Speaker 1:06:30
right. And that's what shows me if I think how am I 53 But I still think when I wake up in the morning, I'm like, oh, no, I could still fight all the people in my air. I mean, they're making comebacks, they're doing this social media. But yeah, and I Felisa like Oh yeah, I'm gonna do another fight. It's like no, you're not No, no, I really am. He said, No, you're not and so you know, sometimes we need somebody to be a little yes a little stronger. A little smarter a little, you know, come on. Yeah. Because they're past you and it's it's not all about it truly isn't about the money always.
Unknown Speaker 1:07:05
But you know, Lisa's her telling you what to do is much different than what Jim when Jim was right because she's telling you at a place of love for your well being
Unknown Speaker 1:07:15
right and I actually had a guy tell my brother to this was why I thought the cornerstone twice so the first time my father was in New York, and after that fight this just guy that worked with me a little bit he told my brother he said make your sister retire. Because if you don't GM will have her crawling up those steps as long as she's able to crawl Yeah. Wow. And
Unknown Speaker 1:07:38
good, man. Yeah, that's a good man. Right there. He saw it. Yeah. From the outside point of view. Well, I got a couple fan questions Is that okay, well to end the in the show, cross. You're gonna push me greatly. Alright, let's get started. Okay, so at RL Larsen 21 Any advice to athletes who are questioning if they have the right person in their corner? Oh perfect segue
Unknown Speaker 1:08:09
you know, it's who's in your corner is always a tough one because you have to have that person that can get under your skin can push the right buttons but yet is not the person that is all about them. Like you as the athlete are not going to make them the star so you have to have that person that that wants the best for for you as the fighter or as the whatever the sport may be but the coach the trainer that wants you to be the best you
Unknown Speaker 1:08:42
Yeah, just really question you know what why they're there for sure. Okay at racing underscore Eskimo. How dirty was boxing back then promoters slash fixed fights.
Unknown Speaker 1:08:57
I don't think you know, I don't think fights have had to be fixed really for a long time because you know, you just put a guy in that can't win against a better fighter. Yeah, back back in the you know, mob controlled boxing days, it was a little different. You put two decent fighters against each other and they were able to convince one to take a dive. I'm not so sure that that happens anymore, or has happened for a while. But Boston was a tough business. I mean, it's a tough business. Anytime you're dealing with a lot of cash flow. I mean, actual cash. It's a double business.
Unknown Speaker 1:09:32
Yes. Okay. At days so matters. What do you think about boxing management nowadays?
Unknown Speaker 1:09:41
about boxing, what is it
Unknown Speaker 1:09:42
Unknown Speaker 1:09:44
Boxing management. I think boxing management is uh, you know, it's tough because so like my thoughts of manager. It is to bring up a fighter that you put them in competitive fights each and every time out fights they should win. But competitive fights yeah there are so many managers in the in the sport of boxing that they just want to keep putting their guys against. Oh 110 Oh and 21 one and 15 and I it's a waste of time so I said money it's a waste of energy and then that your fighter all of a sudden thinks he's better than sliced bread.
Unknown Speaker 1:10:25
Unknown Speaker 1:10:27
it's so they just don't know. Yeah. Went into a real fighter and then then they get beat.
Unknown Speaker 1:10:31
Yeah, they got that for prayer. false sense of confidence. Yep. And they get the real one too. Yeah, yep. Yeah, that's good. That's and that's so true. All right, and let's see we got at reavie underscore artist. What fighters Do you like to watch now? Boxing and MMA?
Unknown Speaker 1:10:51
Um, I really don't watch much MMA. But like the fighters that I like our our punchers you know tank tank Davis is you know, is a puncher he's exciting. He can be can be behind on my scorecards, but he's just one punch away. Always. teofimo Lopez, who just recently lost, but But I liked him. I liked him a lot. I think he's exciting. I don't know what happened that fighter than he fought a guy that was better prepared that night. Tyson fury, I think is great for boxing because he's a character. He's exciting in the ring. But he's a great character. I mean, he's he's a great character you just he doesn't I'm not sure you the shit about what happens in the day.
Unknown Speaker 1:11:39
But yeah, you know, I enjoy watching him you got you gotta love fighters that are characters it just bring more eyeballs to the sport, you know? And for sure. And that's good for all of us. So and then that's the second part question or two part question for this guy. Would you have tried MMA if it was popular when you started training?
Unknown Speaker 1:11:57
I don't think so. I really don't. I don't think I have ever had any desire to get kicked in the head. I mean, getting punched in the head is one thing, but getting kicked in the head is a whole nother thing. I just No, don't think so. And I have no understanding of the ground game. So
Unknown Speaker 1:12:14
yeah. Okay. At a sawn underscore gorilla. Oh, sorry. Wrong question. At Pat. Kenny. Two part question. And it's the last fan question. Number one have you had to I'm sorry, if you had to have a boxer past or present to back you up in a street fight? Who would it be? Um,
Unknown Speaker 1:12:36
let's see. In a bag member street fight. Wow. Well, one of my good buddies that I know for sure would have my back will be airing prior. And just he's a, you know, a junkyard dog. He's on it. So I'd be pretty safe with AP.
Unknown Speaker 1:12:52
Got it. Okay. And the last part is, what's one of your favorite memories you have because of boxing that has nothing to do with actual boxing, like meeting someone and experience something or somewhere.
Unknown Speaker 1:13:08
I really I have been very fortunate. I got to meet a lot of the great legends but nothing to do with boxing. Wow. Well maybe like I say my life is all about boxing but but probably like just being at the Hall of Fame in upstate New York and getting to spend time with with like Willie pilled and Carmen Basilio, just like the true legends of boxing. I was just I was just lucky enough to be there at that time and get to meet Dino Jean formers and just a great bunch of fighters.
Unknown Speaker 1:13:51
Yeah, you seem like someone who truly respects and appreciates the fighters that came before you. I watched you give an interview, I believe it was when you're getting inducted into the boxing Hall of Fame. And this man interviewing you older gentlemen. He say, Oh, you're so great. You're so great. And the first thing you said was wait, many, many fighters came before me. And you listed them off. And I and I remember thinking like, you know, there's, you know, this woman is definitely portrayed in many of her interviews, as you know, maybe a little bit of an asshole. But Christy now, you know, you're a different beast, I think, you know, and you truly gave credit to those before you and so thank you, thank you for that. And I think that I hope that more fighters dig deep into the roots of the sport that you know, they're a part of whether that be boxing or MMA and, and I guess that wraps up our interview. So just thank you so much.
Unknown Speaker 1:14:52
Oh, awesome. Thank you. And, you know, I like I told you the other day, I really appreciate what I have to do questions and comment Give me Give me come to think, and really have to dig deep and, and not just, I don't give cookie cutter answers to anybody. But, you know, sometimes you could ask the same questions over and over and you get tired of it. So you just basically do get the same answer. But I appreciate that you we went in some different directions.
Unknown Speaker 1:15:20
Yeah, yeah, I just wanted to dig a little bit deeper into, you know, like I said, like, how you navigated your sexuality early on and what you've learned, I mean, you know, you're a boxing legend, you survived a shooting and a stabbing. But there's so much more to you as a person and so, thank you for opening up. I know you're gonna give a lot of people hope and a lot of people the courage to potentially get out of abusive situations. Where can we find you on social media? And then I also want to know where we can Christie's champs like how can people check out that
Unknown Speaker 1:15:55
it's everywhere we get there's a main website Christy mom promotions.com Okay. And that kind of links you and has all the you know, the social media sites on there, but we're on Facebook, Chrissy Christie's champs Christie Mont promotions, Christie Martin, all that. Instagram, Twitter, you name it rapid cruces champs and Christina promotions
Unknown Speaker 1:16:19
and guys, listeners, I will be putting all those links in the show notes so you don't get to remember or write it down right now. Don't crash if you're driving or doing your spreadsheets at home. I'll have all that for you guys. Christy. Have a great day. Thank you for everything you've done and just really inspired me on a on a really, really deep level. I can't even thank you enough.
Unknown Speaker 1:16:40
Thank you so much. And take care and listen to your doctor on the rehab. I will I promise Thank you. Everybody. Take care.
Unknown Speaker 1:16:51
I used to worry about the way that I walked like Was I talking too loud. And could I hang with the jocks? It's never easy to be different inside but when you don't give a fuck. It's just like riding a bike. I try to tell him see you later I send my love to hate Yeah, I just want to let them know this Baby Don't Cry Baby Don't Cry I used to think about the way that I dress like was pretty enough. And am I good at sex? I used to say in early pipe but I'm a disco queen. I just keep saying I try to tell them yeah, just wanna let them know this baby. Don't cry.
Unknown Speaker 1:17:55
Okay, guys, that's it for episode 82 with one of the most influential and successful female boxers to ever do it. I mean, not gonna lie. I was getting all misty eyed at the end there. I just, man, it's been a hard hard year and a half for me. But one of the most hopeful times that I ever really had was right after I watched that documentary with her. And you know, like I said to Christie, I really truly every once in a while just asked myself like, man, you know, Christie Martin is a tough bitch. And she's been through way worse. And, you know, I kind of harness her experiences to kind of keep me strong and what I'm going through and God, it's just not every day that you get to talk to a legend like that. So, you know, this is, this is great. And thank you guys for tuning in. Next week, we have a great guest as well. UFC fighter Macy Chase, just oh my god, I kill this girl's name chess on Macy chess on the women's featherweight winner of The Ultimate Fighter 28 and currently ranked number 10 in the UFC women's bantamweight rankings. So yeah, it's gonna be a great guest. She's very open. And, you know, I'm excited to have her on the show. So housekeeping stuff don't forget check out the website, www sex violence with rebel girl.com Pick up a shirt, a hat, coffee mug. Anything you guys purchase goes to keep the lights on here in the studio, editing graphics, all that stuff that you guys see. Just want to keep cranking out episodes for you guys, because I love it. And, you know, I hope you guys are getting something out of these podcasts. You know, thank you so much for tuning in every week in all your fan questions. I got a big special thank you DJ zoals back in the studio, you know, fuck you. COVID He made it so check him out at DJ Zol on Instagram to market studio with a magic happens at tomorrow kids official. You can find us on Instagram at sex and violence with rebel girl and always myself at Ashley MMA. I really hope you guys enjoyed this week's show. I fucking was so great. Have a great weekend guys. Remember, be kind, be grateful, but don't take shit from anyone. I'll talk to you guys next week with more tales of sex and violence.
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