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Ep.86 Carlos "The Natural Born Killer" Condit

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I know it's a Bobby Green who I really want to win is a short notice replacement. He actually fought 14 days ago which is crazy i i feel like and you know don't quote me on this but I probably should know this cuz I'm a fighter I feel like the minimum time that you have to rest and not you know take a fight is seven to 14 days and so he's really cutting it close but whatever you know if he feels that he's you know, I just don't think this is the the fight to take on short notice but I but not you know crazy things have happened so good luck to Bobby. By the time you hear this podcast, you'll probably know who has won that fight but Bobby green is awesome. Maka Jeff is an A nine fight winning streak right now. second longest active streak in the division behind Charles Olvera Green has landed 14,000 significant strikes in the UFC lightweight competition and the most individual history. So just to badass mofos going for it. But I got to give the extra nod to Bobby because just gangster taking that. Yeah, that last fight was great too if you guys watched the fight so the rest of the card real quick you got Willington Turman versus me, Misha Serkan off Ji Yong Kim Versa Priscilla Kucera Armand Surah Kana Serkan vs. Jewelle Joel Alvarez, Arman pet, Petrosian Petrosyan vs. Gregory Rodriguez in the prelims we got the Zhongzhou vs. Ignacio Baja Mondas Josie Nunez vs. Ramona Pasquale, I think Ramona is a Philippine fighter as well. Terrence McKinney vs for Azam Alejandro Perez vs. Jonathan Martinez, Ramiz Brahim, asure Brahim Ash vs. Michael Gilmore. And then we got Victor altum. Iran Oh Altamirano vs. Carlos Hernandez. And unfortunately, who will not be fighting on this card. Hannah Goldy got the flu. And we're just a big fan of hers on the show. She's a sweetheart, she's a former guest. She was supposed to fight Jinyu Frey. And I was really I was actually the fight I was looking forward to the most, but we're wishing her a speedy recovery Get well soon, Hannah. That's it, guys. And yeah, if you guys want to email the show, we have an email like always, and that is sex and violence. we get really nice emails about just, you know, the fact that you know, we're doing good on the show, or that the show gives them inspiration to either not drink or to, you know, stay fit, and those are the best emails. But if you want to send guest guest suggestions, or you know, maybe you want to sponsor the podcast, you got an idea for a segment, whatever you guys want to write to us, maybe just feeling bored. Sex and violence. Alright guys, let's talk about some of our sponsors. I'm so excited guys. Okay, and I say guys, not the girls. Sorry, ladies, this one's not for you. This one is for all my listeners with some whiskers. You know, like mutton chops, a goatee? Mustache? A full mint. No, no one has full men shoes anymore. But about like a side beard or a neck beard. We're just a good old fashion. You know, face beard. This is for you guys. We are now in partnership with the best facial hair oil in the business. And they're called Rebel apothecary. How fitting is that? It's perfect, right? We didn't even plan that these guys are the best. They're the best beard oil in the game. And they I know this because not because I have a beard. But I know many hairy men jujitsu guys MMA fighters, and I've given this product to them. And they said it's great. It keeps your face maintained and it smells good too. Guys, please check them out. They are a family owned and operated business. And you can use our discount code rebel to get 25% off your entire order. Find them on Instagram at rebel apothecary or online at rebel Check them out rebel apothecary beard oil.

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Unknown Speaker 13:54
Alright guys, we are here with Carlos the natural born killer Condit not guess not fresh off retirement. It's been about six months now. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So first question right off the bat. How's life going? You know, post fight life.

Unknown Speaker 14:10
I'm mostly good. It's interesting. You know, I did the I was in the fight business really my entire adult life and now adjusting to you know, in trying to figure out what that looks like afterwards is I think that's gonna be a process.

Unknown Speaker 14:29
Yeah, yeah. Did you have a moment while you were still, you know, actively fighting that you're like, man, what am I going to do after fighting? Have Do you have any ideas?

Unknown Speaker 14:40
Well, I was thinking about that for a long time. You know, I there's a everybody's got a shelf life. You know, this is not a it's not an old man's game or so. Yeah, I was. I was kind of dabbling in some different stuff before I actually retired.

Unknown Speaker 14:58
Want to elaborate on I did some research and it said you had like a clothing company. You know, I, everyone assumes that once we're done fighting, we're going to be a coach. Anything like that?

Unknown Speaker 15:12
Well, yeah, I'd done a number of things. Most recently, I had a coffee company for about four or five years. And we, we basically got flattened by the pandemic. It kind of kicked our ass. So I'm done with coffee. Right now doing doing some real estate stuff. And yeah, then I'm actually working with a group that's doing cannabis in New Mexico, which, which just became just where it's going or just just went recreational.

Unknown Speaker 15:56
Nice. Yeah, I don't know too much on the laws. I know, here in California, where I feel like one of the most lacks, it's everywhere. You just, I'm driving on the freeway, and you see people smoking next to you. Sure. So okay, so you're just kind of testing the waters right now. I'm on the bench right now. I think I told you that when we spoke previously, and I've done all sorts of things to kind of dip my toe in the water I was I applied to be a virtual trainer, I think I've done some acting stuff. I don't really know what I'm going to do when I hang up the gloves. But I think that's something that I would like to, you know, just kind of spark up the conversation with my fellow fighters, because I think that all too much, we just kind of fight our heart out. And then, you know, afterwards, we're kind of like, Fuck, what now? So. But yeah, I think that's cool that you're doing different things. I wanted to ask, you know, obviously, you've been in the game for a long, long time, but was there different reasons behind the retirement? You know, injuries? What, when do you know, it's time to hang it up?

Unknown Speaker 17:02
Great question. I was, it was a process. You know, I, for years, I kind of thought well, hey, you know, is this you know, and the thought process was, was meandering. To be honest with you, I was kind of all over the place. I you know, I do real well and fights and be like, Okay, well, you know, I still got I got another timeout, run me. You know, I'm still in this, I've got this. And then you know, something, and then then I would lose a fight. And it wasn't quite sure. I think every fighter that maybe not everybody, but towards the end of your career, if you you lose or things don't go your way, like well, you know, is this is this part of the game? Or is it that I don't quite have it anymore? Is it? You know, is, you know, is it time for me to hang him up?

Unknown Speaker 17:52
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think, yeah, it's just part of the evolution, you know, we get older and with age, you know, we start to have injuries and, and second guess ourselves, because there's constantly a new wave of younger blood coming in, and you're like, Damn, that person is? Well, I mean, nevermind, I was gonna say that person started at a young age. But, you know, you yourself started at 18. Right, your first profile was 18 years old. Yeah, it was. Yeah. I mean, I don't think I even started fighting show, like my mid 20s. So you're unique, and you've been in there. So long did injuries, you know, have a factor in retirement?

Unknown Speaker 18:31
Absolutely. You know, yeah, number of injuries and just, you know, my knees suck. And I, you know, I could go in there and get surgeries and whatnot. But, you know, the, the time away, you know, who knows what that looks like? And, you know, another part of it was like, what, what is it that I'm doing this for, you know, what, you know, at the end of my career, I had a, you know, I was getting paid pretty well. And which, that's all the financial pieces. Always a big part of it, of course, you know, but I think at a certain point, after my last fight, I realized that I was I was chasing, I was chasing this thing. You know, I sat down with the kid who won the fight of the night, got a spectacular knockout was going out on the town in Vegas. Talk to him, I'm sitting there with a concussion, and my head's all you know, throbbing, and I feel like shit, and I'm down and down in the dumps. And, you know, I realized that, you know, I was in his position a bunch of times, and part of me still chasing that part of me still chasing that, that high of that spectacular performance and knockout and everything that goes along with that. And, you know, I It's, it's, again, it's like, like with anything else, it's kind of, you know, it's chasing a high that maybe will never come again.

Unknown Speaker 19:56
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, as long as It's not, I would say, as long as it's not hurting you, but the sport we the career we've chosen is is constant pain, you know, especially when you've had so many injuries, just getting through a camp sometimes. It's just painful. You know, in the younger years where it's just, you know, so excited to get in there and train and was there a moment in, you know, fight camp? Or were you just realize was it was it that moment when you're sitting with that younger fighter? And you just realize that, you know, Okay, it's time did you have like an aha moment? Or was it just like a collection of thoughts over time?

Unknown Speaker 20:36
Oh, yeah, it was a collection. I, there, all of that doesn't exist in a vacuum, right? I have my whole my whole life, like all the other parts that are supremely important to me that I have to take care of that lots of things that lots of things and people that count on me, I have kids. And ultimately, my, my health is the most important thing. Because without that, you know, I'm, I'm no good to anybody. So that, you know, in a nutshell, if I had to, you know, sum it up, it's really I just really need to focus on my health and not my, you know, these this pursuit of glory or money or, you know, all the all the stuff that comes with being a highly touted fighter. You know, I realize I have to reprioritize Yeah, yeah, it's not, it's not about me all the time.

Unknown Speaker 21:32
Yeah. Especially, you know, after, after kids. And I know, you have two children, right. So when you became a father, So how old is your oldest kid?

Unknown Speaker 21:43
He'll be he's almost 12 would be 12. This come up?

Unknown Speaker 21:47
12. So 12 years ago, 13 years, you know, almost 13 years. Do you remember like, after you became a father, your first child was born? Was there a change? You know, I've talked to girl fighters guy fighters. Some people say no, you know, I just, you know, it's the same thing, you know, got to do. And then other people are like, it's just a different mindset, you know, you're hungry, or this and that. Was it different for you?

Unknown Speaker 22:12
Yeah, my mindset definitely changed. It was a whole a whole new level of motivation. And like, right when he was born, I was, you know, and I had my, my career had been on an upswing for a long time. But, you know, right around the time that he was born, I think my, my career was in its prime, and I think in large part because I had that added motivation of fighting for my kid and, and, you know, all that comes with that. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 22:41
yeah. It's a mama bear Papa Bear mentality that I don't, I don't think I'll ever feel that. But I know, it's a thing. What about when you were a kid? Let's get into where you came from. You know, were you born and raised in New Mexico? And kind of like what was growing up like for you?

Unknown Speaker 22:59
Um, yeah, I was born in in Albuquerque. Growing up was, it's pretty wild. Things were Things are crazy. Things are crazy at home.

Unknown Speaker 23:13
Things were crazy in my neighborhood. Like not not a whole lot of not a whole lot of supervision. Both my parents worked full time, and they had their own craziness. So yeah, I was I was, I was kind of feral.

Unknown Speaker 23:29
Fair. Yeah. I mean, I know what you mean, I come from a family that there was no abuse or anything like that. But I would say just neglect because they were just caught up doing their own thing. Some of it was drugs and whatever. But what ends up happening is you kind of raise yourself, and you're learning a lot of shit from your friends. And, you know, you know, whatever, right? And, you know, I'm really lucky and I'm grateful that I wasn't molested or abused. And so I never want to say poor me, but I do look back and I'm like, Haha, I learned a lot of like life and love lessons. Without guidance, you know, so I just kind of made a lot of mistakes and learn the hard way. And, you know, just wondering what was, you know, young Carlos, kind of like, dating and you remember your first girlfriend? And did anybody explain kind of like sex and relationships, do you?

Unknown Speaker 24:27
Well, yeah, I mean, we can start with that. So my mom, my mom's a nurse has worked in in labor and delivery forever. She's still working and she's like, 70 But she, when I was young, like four or five, she, she busted out the medical books. Showing me you know, and it was like, pictures of, you know, sperm and eggs and cells and stuff. And I was like, Okay, I didn't I don't think I got it. Yeah, I don't think I got it at the time. But pretty You're a lot younger than I really broach the tub. The topic with my kids.

Unknown Speaker 25:06
Yeah. And you know, it's hard when you go about it from such a scientific or medical standpoint, right? It's like you're young. She's using medical words, and you probably didn't put stuff together until later in life. Do you remember? Your first girlfriend or the first time you had sex?

Unknown Speaker 25:23
Yeah, they weren't the same, though. Well, like my, my first girlfriend, girlfriend, I think I was like, in like, maybe like, fifth or sixth grade. And she's a girl that I knew from swim team. Uh huh. And then

Unknown Speaker 25:42
were you shy? Or were you more of like, because I don't know you personal. It's my first time really talking to you. But like, the vibe that I get through interviews is like this tall, dark and mysterious, you know, and more of like an introvert. Is that kind of what you were like growing up?

Unknown Speaker 25:58
Yeah, I guess I'm, I'm not as introverted as I was. But yeah, I'm definitely introverted and kind of on on the shy side, in a sense.

Unknown Speaker 26:09
And have you always been that way with girls especially?

Unknown Speaker 26:13
Yeah, yeah, definitely. And I think even even these days, it uh, it just depends on my on my mood. Um, but yeah, I definitely was when I was younger.

Unknown Speaker 26:25
Did you have any sounds like your mom was working hard and had a great job? Did you have any strong male role models in your life?

Unknown Speaker 26:32
Yeah, well, my paths. I mean, my my pops was, you know, he was, you know, he was in his in my life and was has been a huge role model for better or worse. I mean, he's a, he's kind of a, a wild SON OF A BITCH himself. So yeah, I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I got probably a lot of good stuff, and definitely some bad stuff, too. All right.

Unknown Speaker 26:59
So I know my high school career was when I discovered a lot of things boys and sex and music as well. And you and I have, I think, probably a mutual love for music. You know, you're more of a metal guy I hear. I love punk rock. I grew up in the punk rock scene in a small town. And that kind of became my little family. And that's where it kind of got into a lot of trouble. I have talked about on the show before, like, stabbed a guy when I was 17. And went to juvie. And so I learned a lot of like, hard lessons, what was high school like for you,

Unknown Speaker 27:35
um, high school was pretty wild. My, my parents got divorced when I was, I think in like, seventh grade, and my mom became a travel nurse, and she was pretty much just out. And then my pops, you know, like, got gotten some relationship with this lady. And they were working at a town all the time. And so I was kind of just left to my own devices a lot of the time. And, you know, and, and I was already I was already wild, I like drinking smoking weed when I was like, 11. And it was just, it was kind of off to the races for you know, from from there, right. And then, you know, having access to cars and, and, you know, you know, more more alcohol and everybody was always around was, you know, was, you know, crazy. Crazy, cardi, you know, wild?

Unknown Speaker 28:30
Yeah, I saw I read I did my research and it says that you think you started wrestling at nine and like 15 years old, you got into maybe was it grappling or MMA? So like around the high school time, right, because I remember, I was just wilding out in high school, you know, got my license and going to parties. But the one thing that kept me on the right path and like mellowed me the fuck out was wrestling practice. And I would go to wrestling practice everyday after school. And then the shenanigans would ensue after you know, but like, I would always not get, you know, maybe as fucked up because I had to make it a practice the next day, what was that like? Kind of like juggling that feral lifestyle as we you know, both know as a kid but also being in sports?

Unknown Speaker 29:20
Well, I wrestled like, on the team in high school, my freshman and sophomore year, but I was not, you know, I didn't make grades. So I was, you know, rarely was I eligible. So I think I wrestled one varsity match, you know, my whole life. And I, yeah, it was just kind of that school and even athletics or being involved really, in anything was not a was not a priority to me. But luckily, that's when I found MMA, and MMA was a little bit or I thought, you know, whatever. It wasn't even called MMA. It's kind of like You know, no, no. Valley to toe street, you know, whatever so I and nobody know but there's no other kids my age who were training he was like this very underground thing this is to you maybe 99 2000 How did

Unknown Speaker 30:17
you find? No holds barred and in a bag Ben.

Unknown Speaker 30:22
I looked in a phone book. Really? Uh huh. After after my read after wrestling season when I was a sophomore, I looked in the phonebook and I found Jackson's guide to jujitsu. And then or not a stick and ground fighting is the little ad.

Unknown Speaker 30:39
So for you listeners who are younger, this thing we're talking about, it's called a phone book and phone numbers were listed. It was a directory and, you know, businesses in your town people. I feel so fucking old. That's not even a thing anymore. Look up online but yeah, okay, pre Google pre. Internet. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 30:59
So my dad took me down and I've been watching UFC since like, like, since the very beginning since like 93. I saw like UFC one at my in my coach's office.

Unknown Speaker 31:12
Okay, so you get into no holds barred, you know, basically jujitsu back then. Right? And

Unknown Speaker 31:18
it was it was kick, boxing kickboxing. It was all of it. boxing, kickboxing, and energising

Unknown Speaker 31:24
Oh, so there was an MMA gym in your town.

Unknown Speaker 31:28
Yeah, I've Yeah, luckily, it was. I mean, I was I was training under one of Jackson, Greg Jackson's affiliate, one of his black belts named Kavon. And his wife,

Unknown Speaker 31:38
that's rad. That's great. It's so accessible ever. You know, everybody nowadays, all the kids, it's like, you know, what do you do like I do? I do UFC and, like, what's your background freestyle, cuz I've been doing MMA my whole life. But, you know, I feel like fighters like you who go way back. It's like, usually you come from a wrestling background, or a striking background or jujitsu, you know, but you just jumped into MMA right away.

Unknown Speaker 32:02
Yeah, yeah. And yeah, one and like, to your point, these days, I think there's got to be 20 different 20 Different jujitsu gyms in town and in an agent and boxing gyms. And it's like, this whole thing. And so part of the draw to it was, it was like, this rebellious thing. It was very underground. The people I trained with were like, kind of, definitely St. Definitely. I mean, they were they ran all the they ran all the bars in town and like, ran security at all the bars. And that was I was drawn to that, like underworld field.

Unknown Speaker 32:41
Yeah, yeah. That's sounds how punk rock was, to me just a very underground a collection of misfits, you know, a place where a lot of people who don't have regular family structures could come and feel a part of something,

Unknown Speaker 32:57
you know, yeah. Yeah, I totally was that and they became they became my family.

Unknown Speaker 33:02
For better or worse, till death.

Unknown Speaker 33:05
And because there's a lot, a lot of older people who were, you know, and I also was able to then access, you know, lots and lots of different bars and clubs and all that when I was like, you know, 16 1718 years old.

Unknown Speaker 33:20
Yeah. So going back to relationships, dating love. Did you have girlfriends at this time? Or were you just so focused on MMA that it wasn't even on your radar?

Unknown Speaker 33:31
I would. So here and there, here and there. I did. I wouldn't say that. I was so focused on MMA. I was just, I was a party boy. I was wild, right. I chose I show up at parties and oh, yeah, hey, we're gonna, you know, we're gonna, you know, hang out with some chicks and, you know, hook up maybe, but I'd get there and I'd be, you know, fucking thrown up out the window. Know where the fuck

Unknown Speaker 33:56
I was. Get into a fight at the party. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I know, someone who was like that as well. Has a vagina. So we probably would have been friends. Alright, so yeah, that that sounds all too familiar for me. When you got a little older. You know, I know you were in the UFC or WEC back then. You know, do you remember kind of a dating shift, you know, I talked to I think was Tito Ortiz, same switch situation where it's like, we kind of know from the outside that there are, quote, unquote, I'm doing air quotes groupies, you know, MMA groupies, but did you experience like, you know, a lot more exposure and was it just different when you you know, start fighting on the big stage?

Unknown Speaker 34:42
Bigger stage? Um, yeah. But like at that point, I so 21 I met my my kids mom and my ex wife and so yet I was in relationship for a big piece of that right and pre W See, I was fighting out in, in Japan a lot. I was doing sparring a pan craze, and yeah, like 2021. And that's when that's when I met my

Unknown Speaker 35:10
wife. Yeah. Okay, so that kind of takes away the whole groupie situation if you're, you know, locked down in a relationship.

Unknown Speaker 35:17
Yeah, me too. I mean, not that not that it wasn't there. But you know, yeah, it was it was I always pushed it away.

Unknown Speaker 35:23
That's awesome. I was gonna ask you, if you've ever dated another fighter, but I don't? I mean, if you were, you know, with your wife at 21? Most most likely not.

Unknown Speaker 35:34
Well, since since then. I've been divorced since like 2000, etc. I actually did the one one fighter since then,

Unknown Speaker 35:45
and what was your experience? Like? Now? I've had plenty of guests. You know, it's a MMA sex podcast, and dating in the industry, as we call it always comes up. There's pros. There's cons. How did that go for you?

Unknown Speaker 35:59
It was it was interesting. I you know, she was on a kind of a smaller, more like more regional show. She was actually from from Europe. But it was interesting. So I was like, you know, just more experienced in the in the game. So trying to kind of guide but also not trying to not not interjecting myself. Where where, you know, advice wasn't asked. So that was kind of a fine line to walk.

Unknown Speaker 36:26
Yeah, I have the same situation with my boyfriend. We've been together over two years. He's cornered me and one of my fights my last fight before I was injured. And I think he says the same thing. It's like, you care so much about someone and you have this wealth of knowledge. But you have to be respectful of what she wants. Right, but also of her other coaches, and you don't want to step on too many toes and think that you know, everything, but

Unknown Speaker 36:50
yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, you know, it's basically it was pretty complicated.

Unknown Speaker 36:54
Yeah, complicated. It can get complicated. I don't think it's good. I mean, I found, I think, the perfect middle ground with my partner who's a black belt in jujitsu, but not a fighter himself. So I get, you know, to be kind of selfish, it's like, you can't have two people cutting away, you know, there's just too many too much. You know, it's too hard. And, you know, I think that, as fighters you know, I'm just being honest. It's a selfish sport. And it can take a lot out of a relationship, if you're not dating someone who understands what goes into it. And it's not 24/7 selfishness, right. It's like, for our camp, we're pretty fucking selfish. But I think that if you balance it out, when you're done with your camp, you know, giving your partner lots of love and reciprocation, and making sure that they feel appreciated, it can work out, but when you have two fighters, it's, it's just, sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't, you know,

Unknown Speaker 37:50
sir, sure. And everybody's different. And everybody's mindsets and, you know, whatever the their baggage that they're bringing into the relationship also had, you know,

Unknown Speaker 38:01
is a factor, yeah, posts, post relationships. And, you know, a lot of people don't deal with their past traumas, and they drag that into the next relationship. I was guilty as hell of that. I realized in this my current relationship, at one point, we first started dating that I think I only had a few months in between that I expected him to kind of know things. And I was like, wow, this is a totally different human. What the hell am I doing? You know, so I've, I've been guilty of those things as well.

Unknown Speaker 38:31
Yeah. And I think, you know, whether we're fighter, I think that's a pretty normal thing in relationships in general.

Unknown Speaker 38:37
Yeah, it is. I wanted to ask you, do you think that it's better to be in a relationship while you're kind of in the prime or, you know, still actively competing?

Unknown Speaker 38:50
Well, I don't really have anything to compare it to. Right. Because I only have my, my experience. Um, I, you know, I think that, yeah, my, my ex wife provided a lot of stability. Right, I was already on I was on the trajectory. And I had already done all the things that I did, but I think as fighters there's different pieces of the formula that, you know, that they can add to success or take away from it. And that's and that changes, right that as we as we, as you know, as the age or whatever the thing is, it's like a moving target as as to what that what that formula what that formula for success and for winning fights looks like

Unknown Speaker 39:34
Yeah, yeah. And in you know, I think that having a partner doesn't mean you have a good partner, if you have a partner who understands and you know, is supportive and and all those things that could be a good thing. But let's say you have a partner who is just doesn't understand and they're jealous and they, you know, don't see your dreams or your goals. You know, because it's hard right to watch someone we Get into a cage. And like, well, let's fucking roll the dice. Let's see what happens to come out black and blue and her and, you know, even my partner who he's fought before, you know, I'm like, Is it is it hard for you even though you're in this this lifestyle? And he said, Yes, it's fucking, it's so hard to see you walk in there and to not know what's going to happen and to not have any control of your well being and I'm like, Yeah, but that does. So

Unknown Speaker 40:30
yeah. And then there's other aspects of that right like the notoriety identity like who you know, it's it's it's a clusterfuck

Unknown Speaker 40:40
Yeah, yeah. And it's, you know, for I'm sure you know, you're a huge name and I'm sure it's, you know, you get the groupies and all that. And then for men, it's like, you know, guys, just the trolls on social media, just like writing things. And, you know, it's like, I have to, you know, expect my boyfriend just to deal with that. But you know, that's, that's not fun, either.

Unknown Speaker 41:01
Sure. Yeah. There's a lot that yeah, there's a lot of different, different facets to it. So it's a wild game.

Unknown Speaker 41:08
Yeah. And I mean, there's pros and cons, right. But I really, I always like to give a shout out to the partners that support. You know, our crazy career choice. It's wild. Yeah, absolutely. So you're single right now. And, you know, gotta ask are you looking? Are you on the dating scene? Are you just trying to focus on life post fight career right now?

Unknown Speaker 41:32
Well, no, I have a, I have a girlfriend. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I have a girlfriend at the moment. Yeah. So that's some kind of off the market in that sense. But legally, I'm no longer man.

Unknown Speaker 41:45
Got it. Got it. Okay. So, you know, have you experienced online dating? Are you more of like, traditional meet people in the bar? Or, you know, I don't know, wherever else.

Unknown Speaker 41:57
A little bit online stuff. Which is a whole different. I mean, that's, that's kind of crazy, too. Yeah. So little bit, little bit of the dating apps. But in that that seems, at least in my experience it. I don't think that that's it's not for me.

Unknown Speaker 42:18
Yeah. Any, any unfortunate stories you want to share with us? Did you get catfished? Break down on the first day? We've heard a lot here on the show. Yeah, no,

Unknown Speaker 42:30
I've, I'm sure I've been catfished for sure. Yeah, for sure. Like talking to somebody for a while. And then you know, it just complete, like, things not quite, quite adding up. Yeah. So that there's, there's that kind of stuff. Also, just like on on on the apps, it changes the dynamic quite a bit when you're not like talking to like another person. You just see, you know, it's like, oh, it's like an avatar, and then you're already like, what's, what's a good way to say it? Like, you're already like, guilty, like, you're already the mature, like, so many people on these on these apps are, you know, are douchebags or, or whatever. And so you're, you're kind of guilty by association. So you're looked at with, there's a

Unknown Speaker 43:19
lot of, yeah, yeah, you're right. For men, for men, I think. And I think for women, it's unfortunately, the sweaty, sweaty vibe, you know, like all your on dating apps. And men, it's, you know, kind of, I feel like most dating apps that I hear about are Oh, it's just like a hookup app. Unless you're investing in these. There's a whole bunch of apps that I hear about, because I have this podcast. You know, there's actually specific ones that you can like register for where some, you know, everybody on there has to make a certain amount of money. Or there's, you know, I think it was Raya, I don't remember all the, there's like one where it's like a celebrity one. Have you ever done any of those?

Unknown Speaker 44:03
I've not, but I but I'm, I guess I'm aware of it for a friend of mine, like cute, he got it. You should do that.

Unknown Speaker 44:10
I mean, maybe right, because it's like, you know, maybe there's less chance of getting catfished and, you know, maybe you know that this person on the other end of the phone already has their own money and they're not looking to extort you in some kind of way. I don't know. I I haven't done the apps, but I hear a lot of horror stories. So, you know, hope I never have to.

Unknown Speaker 44:34
Yeah. Yeah, I think with that, there's probably like some some filters, in a sense, right. So you know, somebody invests, what is it like, where you have to go through and do like a whole fill out a whole thing and probably pay money. And that's probably a little bit different than, you know, something where you just put through a selfie up and say what's up? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 44:55
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Unknown Speaker 46:00
I'm well, physical I'm I kind of I like women. I just like tall, short, you know, every color hair, whatever I'm like, but if I had a tie, probably definitely Burnett, I lean towards the Burnett side. And I like I like intelligent, like intelligence. Which is kind of a pain in the ass sometimes. I wish I like I wish I like dumb girls, but I don't

Unknown Speaker 46:28
make life a lot easier.

Unknown Speaker 46:30
You're right. And, um, you know, like, yeah, I don't I don't know, I also like, you know, varieties cool. Like, different. Like, I like to get to know different types of people and, you know, have different conversations. And you know, I I'm very much a conversationalist.

Unknown Speaker 46:49
Yeah, yeah, I feel that as I get older, I'm much more attracted to an intelligent man, as opposed to, you know, I think back in the day seems like, all right, is he hot? Can you make me laugh? And is he good in bed? And I'm like, Alright, boy from material. And then as I got older, I'm like, All right, like, he should probably, I don't want to pick his ass up all the time. So like, have a car, like take care of yourself. And then now I'm like, Alright, he's got to have crazy goals. He's got to be a hard worker, you know? And it's just like, I think back and I'm like, this was not the kind of shit that I cared about, you know, 510 years ago? For sure.

Unknown Speaker 47:26
Well, I mean, as you mature, and your brain, your brain, like, it is fine is finally in its final form. Um, yeah, it changes for sure.

Unknown Speaker 47:37
So has your career, our career that we've chosen ever been caused for torn turmoil in your relationships? And that's obviously like a duck question. Right. But how have you navigated the ups and downs of MMA in your relationship?

Unknown Speaker 47:54
Uh, yeah, well, at a certain point, well, you know, I kind of I, at a certain point, my, my ex wife was like, Nah, you're, you gotta, you gotta find something else to do. And that was, you know, a lot of that was was was my doing, it wasn't the sport, as much as it was the notoriety. And I told you, I kind of, you know, I shunned the whole, you know, the female attention in the groupies for for a really long time at a certain point. I didn't. And that became a problem, obviously.

Unknown Speaker 48:26
Yeah, yeah. It's hard. You know, and even if you're being the best boy, you know, if you've got some girl, right and shit on your social media, or just trying to talk to you, it's like, you're just trying to be good as it's coming at you. And it can cause cause issues.

Unknown Speaker 48:44
Well, yeah, well, it's like, it's like getting advertised to online, right? Like, they're, you know, they show you this thing that they, you know, they collected your data, and they, they're gonna advertise this thing to the first time you're like, hey, that's cool, but I'm not gonna buy, not gonna buy I'm not gonna buy it not gonna buy, but you go home one day, and you're, you're, you're tired or whatever you're stressed. And that same ad comes up, like, okay, oh, shoot, I'm gonna, I'm gonna click on that, and kind of have a similar similar kind of experience.

Unknown Speaker 49:13
I understand. All right. Are women aggressive when it comes to, you know, I don't want to say groupies, but just you know, the online because people just slide into your DMS and they have access to you, which is, which is great about social media, right? It's like you can talk to some of these people that you never could before and some of your idols but then it's also you know, you're giving access to these these people and female fighters, we get plethora of weird messages or what's it been like, in your experience?

Unknown Speaker 49:47
I'm like us aggressive. Yeah. Not not too aggressive, maybe maybe persistent in the past, more persistent than like, aggressive. And yeah, I haven't got a whole lot of weird stuff but

Unknown Speaker 49:59
What's what's one of the more crazy DMS you've gotten over time?

Unknown Speaker 50:05
Um, me think, I mean, I've done this for a long time. So I don't know if I have any particularly great stories. Oh, well, I think well, while ago, I was a couple years back, I was like chatting with this girl and it was kind of seemed kind of like a catfish situation. And I and I was like, Well, hey, you know, was like, like, let's, let's talk, let's jump on a call. I'm, you know, I want to talk to you and hear your voice, whatever. And she's like, actually, what I didn't tell you is I was born deaf. I was like, what? And, and like this whole story that you know, this girl was deaf. And that turned out not to be the case. So basically, you know, this girl was a catfish, but she was using she was using that like, I was like pulling on my heartstrings like to, you know, to kind of perpetuate her ruse.

Unknown Speaker 51:06
Yeah. And when you found out that she well, you know, Eric was she was, yeah, whoever, when this person, you know, told you that they were deaf. What was your first thought where you're like, Okay, I can date a deaf person, or were you like, I just I just don't know. And, you know, you can be honest or whatever. But no, I

Unknown Speaker 51:29
mean, that it was it was more like, oh, that well, that had to be hard. You know, how would you know more? You know, I think and that was that that was a shitty part is kind of appeal to my appeal to my humanity, you know? And I don't like that.

Unknown Speaker 51:42
Yeah, gotcha, Tim. I'm sorry, that happened to you. Yeah, that's and those are the kinds of things that I don't know if you watched it. There was this show on Netflix recently called the tinder swindler? Did you see that? Yeah, I did. Oh, holy shit, like, you know, and that's the kind of horror stories where I'm like, I look at my boyfriend, I'm like, Thank God, I got, you know, like, just gonna lock this down. Because it's a scary dating world out there, like online, and all the filters and you know, like, I'm guilty, I filter the fuck out of my face. It's like, we're all you know, women, especially we have these insecurities. And then, you know, I keep thinking to myself, I'm like, if I filter the fuck out of my pictures, and then when someone sees me in real life, they're gonna be like, Ooh, I can't I can't pretend to be something I'm not, which is nothing I've ever really done in my life. But it's like social media makes it so easy to just put your best foot forward, your best fake face forward, you know? Yeah. Okay, so I want to ask, are you familiar with the five love languages? I am, okay. Okay. Yeah, you seem now that we're talking a little bit more you seem like a heartfelt kind of guy. Like, you're in touch with your emotions a little bit. Which are your most prevalent love languages?

Unknown Speaker 53:01
Oh, um, probably like words of affirmation. And you'll see other one. Yeah. Yeah. Where's the affirmation? Physical Touch. I'm pretty affectionate. Yeah. All like I caught all of the one that's that I'm like, a little bit ambivalent about is like, like gift giving. Or receiving?

Unknown Speaker 53:28
Yeah, yeah. Um, you know, I always think that this is such a shallow or kind like a superficial category. But, you know, that's just because you and I aren't into it. Maybe, you know, maybe people who were raised with much, maybe a small gift from their partner means the world to them because they weren't used to getting it. I don't know. I'm not a fucking I'm just a fighter who likes to talk to people about their shit.

Unknown Speaker 53:56
Maybe that's because I've been, you know, I've been blessed to be in a position to kind of buy the things that I want for myself. Yeah, so

Unknown Speaker 54:05
are you a romantic kind of guy. Are you like the grand gesture and all that?

Unknown Speaker 54:11
Um, I don't I No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that. I am. No, no. Okay. No, not necessarily. I mean, here and there. I guess it's, it's, uh, there's degrees to that, right?

Unknown Speaker 54:26
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I love my boyfriend so much, but he's more like, like, his romance is like, I got two flowers that I'm like, Thanks, babe. You know, but there's, you know, there's there's big grander. There's, you know, people who kind of go all out and I'm definitely more like you said before, it's like words of affirmation. Like, please just tell me how much you love me and tell me I'm pretty. And then in touch, physical touch are my things too. So, you know, grand gestures like that. Certain people are really into I'm not so much All right, so good. Oh, I was just gonna say it's time to talk about sex. Like, I want to know. When did you lose your virginity and kind of you know, everyone has a shitty story. I'm sure yours is no different.

Unknown Speaker 55:16
Yeah, no, that's true. I think I was like, 15 I think it was a a freshman in high school.

Unknown Speaker 55:24
Yeah, that's an average age. That's that's what I lost mine. Was it was it somewhere awful was at the back of a car because you know, we just don't have access to anything at that age.

Unknown Speaker 55:34
It was it was it was drunk with my friend's sister.

Unknown Speaker 55:37
Oh, no. Did you kind of break boy code by doing that?

Unknown Speaker 55:43
I don't think so. It was Yeah, everything was just kind of crazy back then. Nobody really gave a fuck.

Unknown Speaker 55:49
Yeah. Okay. Are you one of those fighters who abstain from sex before a big fight? Or is that kind of like a myth to you?

Unknown Speaker 55:58
Um, like I did, I thought that was a thing when I was younger. And then I think I saw one of the fight science, things that they had on that job back in the day and they like tested Hey, is your testosterone is attacks your testosterone? You know, you know, this and that. And so, apparently, that's not a thing. Apparently, scientifically. It's been debunked. So after that, I was like, No, but I but I would say the day of I found that I had sex day of it did something. I don't know if it maybe it may be it was took, you know, took my focus off. You would think I mean, being like, super, super nervous and being real, you know, like, you know, very

Unknown Speaker 56:41

Unknown Speaker 56:43
Yeah, being be more relaxed would be better. But I think also think too relaxed is not good, either.

Unknown Speaker 56:48
Yeah. Yeah. So you said you had you've had sex fight day. And was it better or worse? I'm sorry.

Unknown Speaker 56:55
Well, yeah. Well, I don't say I don't think that it helped with my

Unknown Speaker 56:58
performance. Okay. Okay. So,

Unknown Speaker 57:00
I think and who knows? Yeah, I mean, how do you even qualify that?

Unknown Speaker 57:04
Yeah. Yeah, cuz shit could happen it you know, you can say it was the sex and then you go out there and you're fighting, you know, a monster So sure, sure. Yeah. Yeah. I always joke around, not joke around but share this crazy story. I don't know if you've heard this. Mike Tyson used to have women backstage hiding, so that he could have sex with them right before he went out and fought. And his explanation was that if he didn't have sex, right before he went in the ring, he was gonna, like, literally kill his opponent. And one time his security guard who wrote a book about it, watched Mike come out from the dressing room and was like, Okay, now this man shall live and like walked out and like, you know, beat the guy up or whatever. But, you know, like, to each throat, right? Yeah, for

Unknown Speaker 57:51
sure. I mean, that's, it's this, like, a ritual, or prefer a ritual. And that was Mike's.

Unknown Speaker 57:55
Yeah. Do you have any other I mean, it doesn't have to be sexual. But do you have any other preflight rituals?

Unknown Speaker 58:00
Um, when I was when I was young, like before I before I had a beard, I used to like, like, shower and shave and like, just like, do all the, you know, all, like super pimping? Yeah, primping routine. I think I think a lot of was just trying to get rid of nervous energy but probably what a lot of pre fi rituals are anyway

Unknown Speaker 58:24
yeah, I have a friend who's so superstitious. She same walkout song, same. You know, like, you know, she's got the lucky this and she's got to have her same post weigh in meal. And you know, me, I just, you know, I go with the flow. I feel like if you get to set in your ways, you know, you have to have things a certain way and then, you know, as we all know, because the fucking pandemic like shit happens, and then you never know what the fuck is gonna happen. It's like, you don't want to be thrown off mentally by something that you feel like you have to have. When it's as little as pasta and breadsticks from Olive Garden or something. You don't really like something. So I try to just be as you know, like, it doesn't matter whatever it is. Agreed. Have you ever been asked to do something too freaky in bed?

Unknown Speaker 59:17
Too freaky in bed? Um, I've declined like, like, golden shower kind of stuff. Yeah, no, yeah, I don't. I don't. Yeah, no.

Unknown Speaker 59:30
Bodily fluids like Yeah, we had one person who said whatever her partner's asked her to cut her. And I was like, Whoa, that's that's a new one under your and heard that. But yeah, like, that's a thing. Blood play. Yeah. And I had to look that up. And I'm like, dang, there's a lot of crazy stuff out there. But I try not to. My favorite new term is I don't yuck. Someone's yum.

Unknown Speaker 59:58
I like that. I like that. took on that. So I have been in the middle of having sex and like making out hard and got a bloody nose and just didn't stop and it was kind of hot. I was it premeditated, but

Unknown Speaker 1:00:13
yeah, but that's that's passion that's passionate like, fucking that's awesome. Do you have a favorite quickie story or like the wildest place you've ever hooked up?

Unknown Speaker 1:00:24
Um I so back. Back when I was when I was young I had I had keys to my gym, and I would you know, like, my accent the time we were really young would go fuck in the gym. All I can think is like, ah, reguar on your butt. Or your or your coach coming in? Oh

Unknown Speaker 1:00:49
my God, have you ever been caught having sex?

Unknown Speaker 1:00:53
Um, yeah, but it was like back in the drunken party days.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:57
Yeah, yeah. My dad, I used to have a room next to my, my parents in high school. And it was still mortified. But like, my dad came banging on my door one night, and I was drunk and having sex with my boyfriend. And he didn't come in or anything. But like, to this day, I'm just like, oh, so stupid, like, embarrassing moment in my life. Do you? You know, this is kind of a, you know, silly question. As a fighter, we're all aggressive. But sometimes in the bedroom, we kind of like to, you know, be more submissive and kind of like, you know, let our guards down. I'm that way. I'm definitely an aggressive person, fighter. I'm extrovert. But then when it comes to being with my partner, I'm just like, Alright, I'm submissive. And, you know, let him take over. Are you as dominant in bed as you are the cage? Are you just more?

Unknown Speaker 1:01:49
I you know, I'm definitely more dominant and have like, in realize that about myself, you know, like, in the last couple years, like, oh, yeah, that's that definitely feels better, you know, energetically.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:00
Yeah, yeah. What are some things that you would tell young Carlos, after all these years of experience, not just in fighting, but also in relationships? If you could talk to young Carlos,

Unknown Speaker 1:02:13
oh, man. Where do I begin? You know, so I got, I got sober about 10 years ago. And you know, till then, you know, like, emotion, you know, emotional, like, having any emotional life or even, I didn't even know that was a thing. Right. And now that I've kind of stopped stopped drinking using drugs. I, you know, you have to work on that shit. Right. Yeah. And so And with that, it's harder, right? Like, life is messier. It feels Messier. But you get you have greater connection with, you know, with everybody, including your partner, and makes it make sex better. It makes, you know, makes it everything better.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:57
Yeah, yeah. Well, first of all, congrats on your sobriety. I'm a sober person, DJ, Zol. sober. And, you know, we talk about it, because, you know, people sometimes hide it, but I feel like if we talk about things that we're proud of, it kind of makes people feel not so alone. And I'm hoping that some of my listeners when they tune in to this sex, sport, you know, whatever, weird podcast that they can also get a little bit of inspiration about their sobriety or addiction, whatever it is. So congrats on that, and then yeah, I you know, I'm only two and a half to two years, seven months for me. So real early, real, real knew, but, you know, in that first year, so fucking hard. And one of the weirdest hardest things people don't really think about until you go through it is like, wow, like, we didn't process so many emotions, right? Because we were just whether we were dating or fucking, or fighting, you know, sometimes even training. We were intoxicated, and you're just not fucking there. And then all these emotions, and it's overwhelming. And like, I never had anxiety. I never had depression, I used to look at people who had anxiety and be like, dude, like, harden the fuck up. But now it's like, okay, I don't have my coping mechanism. So I have to deal with all these emotions. And for me, maybe someone like you, too. It's like, I would rather go get punched in the face 10 times over, than have to sit and deal with these emotions for the first time. It's that shit was hard.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:30
Yeah, it's way easier. Yeah. It's like having this tangible pain as opposed to this. It's like something that for one you can't describe like, there's like a literacy thing, right? Like, I'm either I'm either mad I'm like, I'm either furious or I'm sad. But there's like, there's so much more.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:46
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it's just like with the with the fighting and the physical pain, you know, when that's gonna stop and when that's gonna start or end right. And with this other stuff, you know, I'm still you know, who knows? Maybe it takes me the rest of my life. I have to kind of feel secure or whatever it is that I'm looking for, you know, for me, I didn't never thought I was a really big insecure person, but then in sobriety, it's like, I don't have that liquid confidence anymore. And so it's like, damn, I guess I am a very insecure person. And we all have these new things that we have to work out. Mm hmm. So, okay, now it's time for our lightning sex round.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:32
It is a rapid fire. Yes or no segment. I'm just going to ask you one question and you just say yes or no, unless you're so inclined to tell us a story. When we'll stop. Okay. All right. All right. Lightning sex round with Carlos. Do you dirty talk in bed?

Unknown Speaker 1:05:48
I try but I'm not very good. I don't think so. At least,

Unknown Speaker 1:05:52
I'm sure she appreciates the attempt. spanker liked to be spanked. Spank, yes. Biting.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:00
Um, kind of like, like biting. Yeah, we don't want to have like, IBS skin. Baby Skin. I'm like,

Unknown Speaker 1:06:10
just so weird to hear from a fighter but okay. Choking? Yeah, threesomes

Unknown Speaker 1:06:18
um, I've never had a good threesome.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:21
I hear one word. Good. So that means you have had a threesome though. Yes. Okay. Do you watch porn?

Unknown Speaker 1:06:30
No, not anymore.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:32
Yeah, any fetishes like foot or we know no bodily fluid fetish not for you.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:37
Not for me. I'm fitter. Cool. I kind of like I kind of like everything. I don't have a foot fetish but feeder, but you know, Hey, I like what makes my partner feel good. So they like to feed stuff or whatever. That's what I'm into.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:51
That's awesome. One time someone told me I'd sexy four arms and I thought what the hell for arms got to be the least sexy body part. But then, you know To each their own. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:02
They can tell you get a good grip. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:06
Wow, I never realized okay, okay. I was just being superficial about it. How about bondage like ropes, blindfold handcuffs?

Unknown Speaker 1:07:16
Oh, yeah. On occasion. Sure. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:19
But stuff on you or a partner?

Unknown Speaker 1:07:22
Um, again, it's like, you know, if they're into it. Yeah. Right. Or if everybody's into it, then it's cool. Not.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:31
Yeah. Role playing.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:35
I actually haven't done a whole lot of role

Unknown Speaker 1:07:37
playing. Yeah, it's, I would, I feel like people with introvert more introvert personalities. That's a harder sexual fantasy to live out. Right? Because it's like you already kind of like not super confident in yourself. Or maybe actually, maybe it's a way to be someone that you you know, aren't normally who knows?

Unknown Speaker 1:07:57
Could be Yeah, I haven't had I haven't had a lot of experience, but I'd be open to

Unknown Speaker 1:08:01
it. Okay. Do you use sex toys?

Unknown Speaker 1:08:05
Um, yeah, here and there.

Unknown Speaker 1:08:07
Yeah. Ever been to a sex club or a swingers party? No. Okay. Are you a lingerie lover?

Unknown Speaker 1:08:16
Um, yeah. Yeah. On occasion.

Unknown Speaker 1:08:19
Down with body hair or no?

Unknown Speaker 1:08:22
Yes. Like, well, what are we talking about?

Unknown Speaker 1:08:26
Well, I don't know if we're talking about like, like full full bush or like leg hair. Armpit hair. I don't know. What are we talking? Like we're gonna back to the 70s

Unknown Speaker 1:08:37
fine with full bush. Oh, all right. Yeah, I'll find out for you. Yeah, I'm I'm I like oh, yeah, I'm, I'm pretty open to a lot of stuff preferred

Unknown Speaker 1:08:47
or just okay with it.

Unknown Speaker 1:08:49
Mmm hmm. Good question cuz the body a little bit.

Unknown Speaker 1:08:57
Okay, okay. Okay. I feel like that could be a somebody's kink right like body here.

Unknown Speaker 1:09:02
Yeah, not Yeah, not quite a kink but

Unknown Speaker 1:09:05
okay. Okay, and that's it light it's extra Good job. All right. So we're gonna end the show with a game and some fan questions Is that right Mary want to kill one go. I think we're done. We're done here. Let's do it. Alright, so our our game is called Fuck, Marry kill. I'm going to give you three names. And the topic is horror movie female killers because you are the natural born killer. So we've got doubles reject star baby Firefly, which I think is Rob Zombie's wife right Sherry Monroe. And then we got Mallory Knox from Natural Born Killers. And Tiffany from bride of Chucky

Unknown Speaker 1:09:53
Bridal Show okay. I'm

Unknown Speaker 1:09:56
Jennifer Tilly. Right. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:10:01
Fuck the devil's Regis girl. Okay, wasn't it?

Unknown Speaker 1:10:04
Sherry moon, baby Firefly,

Unknown Speaker 1:10:06
Mary, Mary Mallory Knox and, and Kilbride shocky

Unknown Speaker 1:10:12
that's a good okay. All right. All right. And a couple fan questions cross

Unknown Speaker 1:10:24
have from at Rabee underscore artist. You're a Hall of Famer thank you for always laying it out there which fighter impresses you?

Unknown Speaker 1:10:34
Which fighter impresses me? Um I mean there's there's a lot now I'm a huge fan but um, maybe Chimayo have right now at the moment or even Camaros man.

Unknown Speaker 1:10:45
Yeah. Those guys at the jungle rumble in their prime who wins fade or or stay? Say you're awesome. Drew demaree 208 Would you ever try bare knuckle?

Unknown Speaker 1:11:07
Back in the day? Hell yeah. anymore. I'm done unit.

Unknown Speaker 1:11:11
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Especially now that you got kids you know? At Johnny one three most satisfying when and who would you not want to fight again?

Unknown Speaker 1:11:24
Most satisfying when? Dan Hardy. Okay. And who would I not want to fight again? I'm a middle class guy. Max Griffin. Yeah. Oh. Shitty fight.

Unknown Speaker 1:11:48
Okay, awesome. And then, Pat Kenny. Alright, this is the homie. Hey, Carlos. My brother and I have been watching you fight since your early WBC fights we always rooting for you. Any cool stories from that era? And how do you feel being one of the legends to come from WEC?

Unknown Speaker 1:12:05
Um, yeah, it was. It was a cool time. The fights were always at at the Hard Rock in Vegas. And so just just partying like partying with all the Team Alpha, Alpha Male boys. You know, it's yeah, just wild wild times at the at the Hard Rock.

Unknown Speaker 1:12:25
Yeah, yeah. I fought there one time for World Series of fighting. Was it called the joint? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's a great venue. I love that. That's not a it's not a hotel anymore, right. I don't know. Someone told me they were close in the Hard Rock. No. Okay. But I was sad. It's one of my favorite. Okay. I'm a huge BJ Penn fan. And I saw on topology calm. You were supposed to fight and it got canceled. What happened? And how would you have seen that fight playing out?

Unknown Speaker 1:12:54
I think that I hurt my knee. Yeah, I think I injured my knee before that. But I you know, had a lot of height on BJ, you know, and he's quick. I feel like, I feel like I would have given him giving him trouble from the outside and caught him coming in. But also I could have got you know, I could have got work. So you know, who knows?

Unknown Speaker 1:13:16
Yeah. That damn knee, huh? Yeah. Played you throughout your career?

Unknown Speaker 1:13:22
Both of them, actually. Yeah, I don't have an ACL on that one that I got repaired for the Woodley fight that ACLs gone.

Unknown Speaker 1:13:31
Have you thought about doing stem cells? Is that something you've already done? or thought about?

Unknown Speaker 1:13:36
I haven't, I definitely need to get on that because I got I got arthritis in both my knees and, you know, even training now. It's, it bugs me in another? You know, like I talked about earlier, those kind of another another reason for for, you know, looking at retirement. You know, I just, you know, tight time wasn't on my side as far as getting, getting everything repair that I need to get repaired and being able to get back into the fight ship.

Unknown Speaker 1:14:01
Yeah. And you know, I keep bringing up the kids, but it's like, I feel like, we don't think about longevity. We just think about winning the fight or maybe even just like, you know, you know, our career. And then it's like, really, it's like you are 37, right? You have so much more life left to live. And then it's like, what kind of quality of life do you want with your children? Right. So it's like,

Unknown Speaker 1:14:27
Absolutely. The

Unknown Speaker 1:14:28
heart. Any questions? Last question? Oh, wait a second. Let's go. Okay. I know you're big on coffee. How do you prepare your coffee? And how do I convince my brother to start drinking it because he's lazy and always says it tastes like hot bean soup?

Unknown Speaker 1:14:43
Well, first, you first got to get some good coffee to get that type of coffee like right because there's different you know, different rows tastes different to different people. And being having been in that in that industry briefly. People's palates are crazy, right? So one part two people can taste the same. thing and one person says it's, you know, it's you know, It's too bitter or it's not strong enough and they're tasting the same thing. So you know, get to find something you like Good, good, good beans. I should I honestly just like a regular drip coffee. I like like my Mr. Coffee Drip coffeemaker is like the my favorite, you know, and I have pour overs and all kinds of fancy shit Chemex and all that, but I like I like just a old school coffeemaker.

Unknown Speaker 1:15:30
And, you know, I'm feeling like your straight black kind of guy. The vibe I'm getting but I don't know what you like a cream sugar. What are you?

Unknown Speaker 1:15:40
Most? Yeah, mostly black. Mostly black coffee. Um, but I'll actually last maybe year or two. I started drinking lattes. Okay. But like, like with like, quad shot. You know, six shots. Mostly coffee.

Unknown Speaker 1:15:56
That's got to be an alcoholic addict thing, right? We stop and then we're just like, what is like, technically good. Give me a buzz. But like, not like a drunk right?

Unknown Speaker 1:16:08
Makes me feel good.

Unknown Speaker 1:16:09
Yeah. What time is it? It's two o'clock and I've already had one Celsius. You ever tried Celsius? I think I think I had one once I'm addicted. I've had one Celsius and two cups of coffee today. And it's two o'clock my time.

Unknown Speaker 1:16:24
I gotta be careful. Like I get to, you know, as with most things, it's easy for me to overshoot the mark and be like, way too. Good afternoon.

Unknown Speaker 1:16:34
Yeah, I don't. I think fighters in general are extremists Right? Like it's like all all or nothing. And I guess a lot of us end up being you know, drinking and drugs. Just party. You know, balls to the wall. Yeah. Last question. The Mexican ass Yeti eight. This guy is always writing questions. I love his name. What's your favorite metal band and song? What's the song that gets you into the killer mindset?

Unknown Speaker 1:17:08
Favorite metal band? Um, I don't know if it's metal. I'm a huge tool fan. And I have been since I was like, my like a teenager. But what gets me I like calm, calm, calm like a bomb from from rage. Rage Against machine.

Unknown Speaker 1:17:30
Nice. Alright. That was our last fan question. My last question to you is, if you could hear anyone else on the podcast sex and violence rebel girl. Fighter, other personality? Who would it be?

Unknown Speaker 1:17:44
Oh, man. Um You got me on the spot here.

Unknown Speaker 1:17:56
Maybe one of your teammates that you're like, yeah, that person is open as shit. You know? Or maybe they've got a lot of good stories. Or maybe you want them to open up more?

Unknown Speaker 1:18:06
Um, shoot. I don't know. Maybe get some of the coaches on there. Get um,

Unknown Speaker 1:18:15
I haven't had a coach on yet. Yeah, get a coach on do you think? Like Greg Jackson?

Unknown Speaker 1:18:21
Yeah, maybe Greg. I don't know if he do it though.

Unknown Speaker 1:18:26
We do need a coach to come on. Yeah. Okay. Well, where can we find you on your social media platforms? I know you do Instagram. Do you do Twitter Facebook?

Unknown Speaker 1:18:36
Yeah, well not. I'm not on Twitter a whole lot. Um, yeah, mostly just Instagram. Okay, just Carlos Condit

Unknown Speaker 1:18:43
All right. Awesome. And this is normally the part where I say good luck on your upcoming fight or you know, but you know, I wish you the best of luck with whatever it is that you end up doing. I think that all of us are kind of just dipping our toe into the water to figure out what the next step is. But if you take the kind of you know, hard work and dedication that you did in fighting to whatever it is you're going to do, I know you're gonna kill it. So thank you for doing the show. I really appreciate it of course. Watch boom, that's it. for Episode 86, with Carlos, the natural born killer Condit, guys, I don't know if you notice, but I was a little nervous for that one. Yeah, I just you know, some interviews are more nervous than others. I've been a fan of Carlos fighting for a long time. And that's one of the cool things about this podcast that you know, I'm not making a million dollars, but I get to talk to people that I respect and admire so much. And I just really was grateful to have that conversation. He opened up, he told us some great stories. And you know, I'm so appreciative. I love this show. I love you guys. And I hope you guys tune in next week, we got another great guest. We have a comedian on she's a writer, actress and stand up comedian, Eliza Skinner guys, it's gonna be fun. The comedians are absolutely the easiest interviews for me. I do a little bit of research but you know, these people, their whole lives are funny they love to talk. So it's gonna be a great show guys. Don't forget to check out our website www sex violence with rebel girl calm pick up some merch help us out. And if you don't have any money, that's okay. Give us a help us out in the freeway by Please rate and review the show iTunes Spotify, whatever it is. Give us some stars. I don't care if it's one or five. Just you know, give us a review. So special thank you to audio engineer DJ so at DJ Zol I hope you feel better buddy. He had some food poisoning, too. Well, good studio at tomorrow kids official. And as always find us on Instagram at sex and violence with rebel girl and myself at Ashley MMA. I really hope you guys enjoyed the show. It was an honor for me to talk to this guest I was really really excited. Just like every guest guys. Remember. Be kind. Be grateful. But don't take shit from anyone. Talk to you guys next week with more tales of sex invite

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